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<![endif]--> <table class="container" lang="container" dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tr> <td valign="top" class="message-wrapper" style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <!--[if mso]><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="border-collapse:separate;"><tr><td valign="top"><![endif]--> <div dir="ltr">voss90210@protonmail.com wrote: <br><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In my opinion, there is no such thing as a secure cloud. This is because whatever is on the other end of the connection as well as what might lie in between is unknown. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In a best case scenario where you have an encrypted, secure connection to a cloud system, it is unknown how many people have access to that system, whether or not it has been breached, etc. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Additionally, since it is a shared system with thousands or even millions of other users, each of those users is a potential vector for breach or other data loss/access. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As such, we engineer all our systems to be on networks w control and access them by vpn from offsite. This ranges from such simple things as surveillance video or access control systems to storage and other systems. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Depending on the type of system, they are either at a client's site and accessed by the client from external places by direct or VPN access. (systems w build for clients) </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Or with our own systems they are on our sites and accessed either directly or via VPN. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If you were setting up something for shared file access, I would put it on a server you own at a site whose network you control and then make it accessible to user by putting it in either of the following places:</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">1) A DMZ with port forwarded access (good for things like web developers, etc); or, </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">2) The main LAN or a sub-LAN and accessible by VPN from outside. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The crux of it is a lot of systems, like nest cameras, sacrifice security for simplicity for end users by sticking cloud in the middle to avoid dealing with VPNs or port forwarding, etc. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">That ease of initial setup compromises the level of security long term, so we never do it. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Is it a bit more hassle? yes. However, we've never had a breach in 3 decades.</blockquote><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If anyone on the list needs help setting up something like this I can help. It's really easy once you know how.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I've actually been thinking about developing a "ZeroCloud" certification and offering it to products with no middle component as such - a simmering idea at present. </blockquote></div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border:0;width:0px;height:0px" src="https://track.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/QsBhpFszUw9uXlxMU/gI1RWZuQmcvZmbhR3cukmbtVHbhB0c55WYw12bjlnI/IyZy9mLoNWZ052bpRXYyVmYpxmLzR3cpxGQ0xmI/gIUxkI?sc=false" alt=""> <!--[if mso]></td></tr></table><![endif]--> </td> </tr> </table> <div> <div> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_extra"> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 6:24 PM, fuzzyTew <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:fuzzytew@gmail.com" target="_blank">fuzzytew@gmail.com</a></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> <div dir="auto">git-annex assistant is a gui for git-annex which automates file syncing using a git repository to store hashes and locations and history of those things changing. <a href="https://git-annex.branchable.com/" target="_blank">https://git-annex.branchable.com/</a> . It's written in Haskell. I use it manually on the command line which works well enough; I don't use the daemon or gui but they exist.</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 1:34 PM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@alumni.stanford.edu" target="_blank">ycompanys@alumni.stanford.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> <div style="word-wrap:normal;word-break:break-word"> <table style="width:100%" valign="top" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" dir="ltr" lang="container"> <tbody><tr> <td style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif" valign="top"> <div dir="ltr">That is the rub, isn't it?<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the links, Marc!<br><div><br></div></div></div><img alt="" src="https://compose.mixmax.com/img/blank.png" style="border:0;width:0px;height:0px" height="0" width="0" align="left"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <div> <div> <p><br></p> <div> <p><br></p> <div> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 5:11 PM, Marc Sunet <span dir="ltr"> <a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:msunet@shellblade.net" target="_blank">msunet@shellblade.net</a></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> <p>I do not have experience with this, but my go-to for these kinds of questions is often <a rel="noreferrer" href="http://privacytools.io" target="_blank">privacytools.io</a>:</p> <p><a rel="noreferrer" href="https://www.privacytools.io/providers/cloud-storage/" target="_blank">https://www.privacytools.io/providers/cloud-storage/</a></p> <p>Currently the only one listed there is Nextcloud (ignore Keybase, sold to Zoom):</p> <p><a rel="noreferrer" href="https://nextcloud.com/providers/" target="_blank">https://nextcloud.com/providers/</a></p> <p>You can self-host or rent storage. Based in Germany, GDPR-compliant and all. At the end of the day you're putting your files in someone else's servers though.</p> <p>Marc<br> </p> <div>On 6/20/20 10:00 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px" type="cite"> <table dir="ltr" valign="top" style="width:100%" lang="container" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif" valign="top"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>I am especially interested in secure alternatives to Google Drive that are both secure and convenient and in your experience with these tools.<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thank you,</div> <div>Yosem<br> <div> <div> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <table style="border-spacing:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background:none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Cerebri-sans,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;table-layout:fixed;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="padding:0px 7px 0px 0px;border-left:none rgb(161,6,252);border-top:none rgb(161,6,252);border-bottom:none rgb(161,6,252);border-right:3px solid rgb(161,6,252);width:100px" valign="middle"><img alt="upload
image" src="https://www.designhill.com/uploads/data/email-signature-img/thumb_n4hme3ni5d19tnj88m66thhhm2_5e2fc335c1123_1580188469.png" style="border:0px;vertical-align:middle;max-width:100%;width:100px;border-radius:0px" width="100"></td> <td cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="padding:0px 0px 0px 7px" valign="middle"> <table style="border-spacing:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-color:transparent"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding:0px 0px 3px;line-height:1.4;font-weight:600"><font size="4" face="Arial,
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sans-serif" color="#a106fc">Companys</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;color:rgb(161,6,252);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1">President and CEO</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;line-height:1.4"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#a106fc">Techlantis</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;line-height:1.4"><span style="display:inline-block"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#a106fc">M: (650) 796-1205</font></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;line-height:1"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#a106fc">A: </font><span><font face="Arial,
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