<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think people still don't understand what risk surfaces are actually worth attacking - and they latch onto encryption without any of the other OPSEC considerations, side-channel attacks on the information and groups being protected, etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This XKCD still applies:  <a href="https://xkcd.com/538/">https://xkcd.com/538/</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The problem is the companies and politics still should _strive_ for the best in each applicable area but people are deluding themselves when they consider a Nation State threat model as their baseline. -Ali</div><input name="virtru-metadata" type="hidden" value="{"email-policy":{"state":"closed","expirationUnit":"days","disableCopyPaste":false,"disablePrint":false,"disableForwarding":false,"enableNoauth":false,"persistentProtection":false,"expandedWatermarking":false,"expires":false,"isManaged":false},"attachments":{},"compose-id":"1","compose-window":{"secure":false}}"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:38 PM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:yosem@techlantis.com">yosem@techlantis.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <u></u>        <div style="word-break:break-word">   <table lang="container" dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif">  <div dir="ltr"><div>Alex Nicholson  10:43 AM<div>Curious what others think about this... this past week @Jason Calacanis (<a href="http://launch.co" target="_blank">launch.co</a>) talked about the need for all-user end-to-end encryption on services like Zoom in China, and basically anyone operating in or through China, because of the Chinese govt’s likelihood of intercepting and/or interfering with communications as it likes. However, I would argue that the conversation is severely under-estimating the sophistication of the Chinese govt. The US’s NSA can crack any encryption in the world and listen to any communications it wants. Why would we think China’s version of the NSA is any less sophisticated? Commercial encryption prevents interception by hackers and criminals, low-level operations without the budgets or resources of state actors. The intelligence services of major world powers have the skills and tools to crack any company’s best attempt at encryption. So what does it matter if a service like Zoom or anything touching China is encrypted or not? If it touches Chinese soil, fibers, or airspace, it can be read by their govt. If it’s encrypted, it <span>prob</span> won’t be read by criminals and civilian hackers only. Thoughts?</div></div><br><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="border-spacing:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background:none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Cerebri-sans,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;table-layout:fixed;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px"><tbody><tr><td cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" valign="middle" style="padding:0px 7px 0px 0px;border-left:none rgb(161,6,252);border-top:none rgb(161,6,252);border-bottom:none rgb(161,6,252);border-right:3px solid rgb(161,6,252);width:100px"><img alt="upload image" src="https://www.designhill.com/uploads/data/email-signature-img/thumb_n4hme3ni5d19tnj88m66thhhm2_5e2fc335c1123_1580188469.png" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle; max-width: 100%; width: 100px; border-radius: 0px;" width="100"></td><td cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" valign="middle" style="padding:0px 0px 0px 7px"><table style="border-spacing:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-color:transparent"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding:0px 0px 3px;line-height:1.4;font-weight:600"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="4" color="#a106fc">Yosem</font> <font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="4" color="#a106fc">Companys</font></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;color:rgb(161,6,252);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1">President and CEO</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;line-height:1.4"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#a106fc">Techlantis</font></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;line-height:1.4"><span style="display:inline-block"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#a106fc">M: (650) 796-1205</font></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding:0px;line-height:1"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#a106fc">A: </font><span><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#a106fc"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