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<![endif]--> <table class="container" lang="container" dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tr> <td valign="top" class="message-wrapper" style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <!--[if mso]><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="border-collapse:separate;"><tr><td valign="top"><![endif]--> <div dir="ltr">What about <a href="https://links91.mixmaxusercontent.com/5e196044087550002eab97f3/l/18GLUgO30lwPdZVoq?messageId=5rBmF20E8uT3odoWj&rn=gIUxkI&re=IyZy9mLoNWZ052bpRXYyVmYpxmLzR3cpxGQ0xmI&sc=false">BlueJeans</a>?<div><br></div></div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border:0;width:0px;height:0px" src="https://track.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/5rBmF20E8uT3odoWj/i02bj5CbpFWbnB0c55WYw12bjlnI/IyZy9mLoNWZ052bpRXYyVmYpxmLzR3cpxGQ0xmI/gIUxkI?sc=false" alt=""> <!--[if mso]></td></tr></table><![endif]--> </td> </tr> </table> <div> <div> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_extra"> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 7:44 AM, Julian Oliver <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:julian@julianoliver.com" target="_blank">julian@julianoliver.com</a></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> <p>..on Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 05:01:51PM +1000, Sam De Silva wrote:</p><p>> https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/ isn’t bad.</p><p><br></p><p>I agree, and it has improved much the last year. I run a few instances myself</p><p>for a large activist movement. </p><p><br></p><p>BigBlueButton is more of a 'Zoom replacement' albeit, with room management and</p><p>recording. It also has an integrated whiteboard, Etherpad, allows for slide</p><p>share (PDF upload) and screen sharing. I also run a large instance of this on a</p><p>dedicated box, 5 figure community using it around the clock. It needs a COTURN</p><p>server to give a route for end-points behind a restrictive NAT or firewall</p><p>(basically just maps the UDP port range needed by WebRTC to 443). Once tuned,</p><p>it's really great. </p><p><br></p><p>Neither are E2EE however, just like Zoom isn't (Zoom lied about that). E2EE for</p><p>videoconferencing at scale is really hard.</p><p><br></p><p>Cheers,</p><p><br></p><p>Julian</p><p><br></p><p>> </p><p>> ------------------------------------------------------</p><p>> Sam de Silva | Engagement Advisor</p><p>> sam@loki.network</p><p>> PGP Fingerprint: 15F9 8064 2D76 3F81 D713 6A71 C069 452C BC4F C7D7</p><p>> </p><p>> > On 13 Jun 2020, at 12:28 pm, Yosem Companys <ycompanys@gmail.com> wrote:</p><p>> > </p><p>> > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china></p><p>> > </p><p>> > So what did we agree is the best end-to-end encrypted alternative?</p><p>> > </p><p>> > I tried Cisco Webex, which is Wirecutter-recommended, but it is glitchy (i.e., the dial-in numbers often do not work).</p><p>> > </p><p>> > https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/ <https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/></p><p>> > --</p><p>> > Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt <https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt>. Unsubscribe, change to digest mode, or change password by emailing lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org <mailto:lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org>.</p><p>> </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>> -- </p><p>> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. Unsubscribe, change to digest mode, or change password by emailing lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>-- </p><p>Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. Unsubscribe, change to digest mode, or change password by emailing lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org.</p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>