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<![endif]--> <table class="container" lang="container" dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tr> <td valign="top" class="message-wrapper" style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <!--[if mso]><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="border-collapse:separate;"><tr><td valign="top"><![endif]--> <div dir="ltr">You do what you can. The Jitsi team just took advantage of the fact that Google open-sourced WebRTC communication standards in 2011 to build a browser-based product. We forget that all of those who came before us like Brian, Moxie, and Nate have just made it easier for us to privacy and security by design. That was not the case when Jitsi got started.<div></div></div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border:0;width:0px;height:0px" src="https://track.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/sAUCT4PBzjNSoWCBR/i02bj5CbpFWbnB0c55WYw12bjlnI/IyZy9mLoNWZ052bpRXYyVmYpxmLzR3cpxGQ0xmI/gIUxkI?sc=false" alt=""> <!--[if mso]></td></tr></table><![endif]--> </td> </tr> </table> <div> <div> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_extra"> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 6:04 PM, bo0od <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:bo0od@riseup.net" target="_blank">bo0od@riseup.net</a></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> <p>Im sorry to say this about jitsi but one of the shitiest thing with it, </p><p>the developers seems to be basing their testing and development on </p><p>chrome/chromium well= how the fuck is that privacy seeking which basing </p><p>all the shit on google products?!</p><p><br></p><p>FF on debian with jitsi has issues to make it work:(fixed or unfixed </p><p>later i dont know)</p><p><br></p><p>https://community.jitsi.org/t/jitsi-over-tor-browser-firefox/29513</p><p><br></p><p>Side question: Since Jitsi using UDP for calls then this is a prevention </p><p>to use it over Tor or Jitsi server as hidden services right? (Tor TCP only)</p><p><br></p><p>Aaron van Meerten:</p><p>> Actually in the latest Chrome we have E2EE in Jitsi. There’s not a great model for distribution of the key, so that is still required to happen out of band, but as long as all participants have the key, we do support E2EE, where the servers doing the forwarding do not have access to the media.</p><p>> </p><p>> If you have a newer Chrome, check it out on https://meet.jit.si/</p><p>> </p><p>> Cheers,</p><p>> </p><p>> -Aaron</p><p>> </p><p>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:44 AM, Julian Oliver <julian@julianoliver.com> wrote:</p><p>>></p><p>>> ..on Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 05:01:51PM +1000, Sam De Silva wrote:</p><p>>>> https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/ isn’t bad.</p><p>>></p><p>>> I agree, and it has improved much the last year. I run a few instances myself</p><p>>> for a large activist movement.</p><p>>></p><p>>> BigBlueButton is more of a 'Zoom replacement' albeit, with room management and</p><p>>> recording. It also has an integrated whiteboard, Etherpad, allows for slide</p><p>>> share (PDF upload) and screen sharing. I also run a large instance of this on a</p><p>>> dedicated box, 5 figure community using it around the clock. It needs a COTURN</p><p>>> server to give a route for end-points behind a restrictive NAT or firewall</p><p>>> (basically just maps the UDP port range needed by WebRTC to 443). Once tuned,</p><p>>> it's really great.</p><p>>></p><p>>> Neither are E2EE however, just like Zoom isn't (Zoom lied about that). E2EE for</p><p>>> videoconferencing at scale is really hard.</p><p>>></p><p>>> Cheers,</p><p>>></p><p>>> Julian</p><p>>></p><p>>>></p><p>>>> ------------------------------------------------------</p><p>>>> Sam de Silva | Engagement Advisor</p><p>>>> sam@loki.network</p><p>>>> PGP Fingerprint: 15F9 8064 2D76 3F81 D713 6A71 C069 452C BC4F C7D7</p><p>>>></p><p>>>>> On 13 Jun 2020, at 12:28 pm, Yosem Companys <ycompanys@gmail.com> wrote:</p><p>>>>></p><p>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china></p><p>>>>></p><p>>>>> So what did we agree is the best end-to-end encrypted alternative?</p><p>>>>></p><p>>>>> I tried Cisco Webex, which is Wirecutter-recommended, but it is glitchy (i.e., the dial-in numbers often do not work).</p><p>>>>></p><p>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/ <https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/></p><p>>>>> --</p><p>>>>> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. 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