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<![endif]--> <table class="container" lang="container" dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tr> <td valign="top" class="message-wrapper" style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <!--[if mso]><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="border-collapse:separate;"><tr><td valign="top"><![endif]--> <div dir="ltr">Thanks! Very helpful. <div><br></div></div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border:0;width:0px;height:0px" src="https://track.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/wMLOSFFMmTa5JXTWI/i02bj5CbpFWbnB0c55WYw12bjlnI/IyZy9mLoNWZ052bpRXYyVmYpxmLzR3cpxGQ0xmI/gIUxkI?sc=false" alt=""> <!--[if mso]></td></tr></table><![endif]--> </td> </tr> </table> <div> <div> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_extra"> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 6:22 PM, Aaron van Meerten <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:aaron.van.meerten@gmail.com" target="_blank">aaron.van.meerten@gmail.com</a></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> 8x8 is a for profit company primarily focused on a unified communications platform (soft phones, contact centers, video conferences, and APIs for all of the previous as an automatable platform). You can learn more (in marketing speak) at <a href="https://8x8.com/" target="_blank">https://8x8.com/</a><div><br></div><div>The Jitsi team and open source stack is committed to staying open source, as we have through several company changes. Probably our biggest needs are around documentation, which we have a handbook in progress here: <a href="https://jitsi.github.io/handbook/" target="_blank">https://jitsi.github.io/handbook/</a>. We’d happily take contributions or questions there, or in our community discourse: <a href="https://community.jitsi.org/" target="_blank">https://community.jitsi.org/</a><div><br></div><div>We are a small team, and the features we work on are mixed between the needs of the open source community and the priorities of the company. In the past few months for instance, our costs for hosting <a href="http://meet.jit.si" target="_blank">meet.jit.si</a> have gone up over 100x, so we’ve been working on solutions to ensure we can still afford to run the free service (rehosting, using fewer instances, optimizing extra-cost services like recordings, etc). We’ve also been struggling some to scale certain components of the solution, such as debugging issues around delays/time-outs in the Lua-based XMPP server we have been using, prosody. We’re also working on improving the E2EE user experience to allow better automated negotiation of keys, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps answer your questions.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>-Aaron<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 40px"><div>On Jun 13, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" target="_blank">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><table style="caret-color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px;text-decoration:none;width:813px" valign="top" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" dir="ltr" lang="container"><tbody><tr><td style="padding-top:6px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif" valign="top"><div dir="ltr">That is great news, Aaron. <div><br></div><div>How does Jitsi work in terms of corporate governance? I know 8x8 owns Jitsi, but are you for profit or not for profit like Signal? How is the open-source community run? What are your biggest needs/challenges right now?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Yosem</div></div><img style="border:0px;width:0px;height:0px" alt="" src="https://compose.mixmax.com/img/blank.png" height="0" width="0" align="left"></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="caret-color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px;text-decoration:none"><div><p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p><div><p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br></p><div>On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 5:16 PM, Aaron van Meerten<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><a style="word-wrap:normal;word-break:break-word" href="mailto:aaron.van.meerten@gmail.com" target="_blank">aaron.van.meerten@gmail.com</a></span><span> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><p>Actually in the latest Chrome we have E2EE in Jitsi. There’s not a great model for distribution of the key, so that is still required to happen out of band, but as long as all participants have the key, we do support E2EE, where the servers doing the forwarding do not have access to the media.</p><p><br></p><p>If you have a newer Chrome, check it out on <a href="https://meet.jit.si/" target="_blank">https://meet.jit.si/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Cheers,</p><p><br></p><p>-Aaron</p><p><br></p><p>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:44 AM, Julian Oliver <<a href="mailto:julian@julianoliver.com" target="_blank">julian@julianoliver.com</a>> wrote:</p><p>></p><p>> ..on Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 05:01:51PM +1000, Sam De Silva wrote:</p><p>>> <a href="https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/" target="_blank">https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/</a> isn’t bad.</p><p>></p><p>> I agree, and it has improved much the last year. I run a few instances myself</p><p>> for a large activist movement.</p><p>></p><p>> BigBlueButton is more of a 'Zoom replacement' albeit, with room management and</p><p>> recording. It also has an integrated whiteboard, Etherpad, allows for slide</p><p>> share (PDF upload) and screen sharing. I also run a large instance of this on a</p><p>> dedicated box, 5 figure community using it around the clock. It needs a COTURN</p><p>> server to give a route for end-points behind a restrictive NAT or firewall</p><p>> (basically just maps the UDP port range needed by WebRTC to 443). Once tuned,</p><p>> it's really great.</p><p>></p><p>> Neither are E2EE however, just like Zoom isn't (Zoom lied about that). E2EE for</p><p>> videoconferencing at scale is really hard.</p><p>></p><p>> Cheers,</p><p>></p><p>> Julian</p><p>></p><p>>></p><p>>> ------------------------------------------------------</p><p>>> Sam de Silva | Engagement Advisor</p><p>>> <a href="mailto:sam@loki.network" target="_blank">sam@loki.network</a></p><p>>> PGP Fingerprint: 15F9 8064 2D76 3F81 D713 6A71 C069 452C BC4F C7D7</p><p>>></p><p>>>> On 13 Jun 2020, at 12:28 pm, Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" target="_blank">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><p>>>></p><p>>>> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china</a> <<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/zoom-admits-cutting-off-activists-accounts-in-obedience-to-china</a>></p><p>>>></p><p>>>> So what did we agree is the best end-to-end encrypted alternative?</p><p>>>></p><p>>>> I tried Cisco Webex, which is Wirecutter-recommended, but it is glitchy (i.e., the dial-in numbers often do not work).</p><p>>>></p><p>>>> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/</a> <<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-video-conferencing-service/</a>></p><p>>>> --</p><p>>>> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. 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