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<p>I have to admit I really, REALLY sympathise with the urge to *do
something* and undermine, hack, bypass, route around the damage
and capabilities of the PLA and friends. But can I add one bit of
perspective?</p>
<p>Firstly, despite huge ongoing protests before the Covid, China
decided to go ahead with this anyway. They've upped the ante and
they have (most of) the power, including the will to act contrary
to world opinion. <br>
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<p>Secondly, and more importantly, Something the PRC leadership seem
to have forgotten is the entirety of the value-add of HK walks
home from the cars, buses and subways in leather shoes every night
and is literally contained between the ears of every HK resident
in the province. What HK'ers know and are capable of doing doesn't
necessarily have to be done there as the diasporas of Vancouver
and London have proven. They are the precious commodity; not the
rock they live on.<br>
</p>
<p>In my opinion, urging our leaders to adopt an open-door policy to
any resident of Hong Kong that wants to emigrate would be the most
effective way to concentrate the minds of the PRC leadership. A
Pyrrhic victory of winning a few buildings on a rock with some
sycophants that stayed behind is not the look Chairman Xi can
successfully take back to the National People's Congress. <br>
</p>
<p>I may be wrong, but if we welcomed the Anabaptists and Jews and
Huguenots and many others backintheday and gave them space to
become some of the most creative and productive people in their
adopted lands, we can be prepared to do the same for the people of
Hong Kong today. Maggie Thatcher didn't give them passports
because she believed China was serious about wanting to make the 1
country/2 systems thing work and that HK would end up influencing
China to the extent HK would be happy to be united with the
mainland. Clearly China (ironically) didn't have the patience. <br>
</p>
<p>I know this isn't The Way to some on the list; it isn't clever
code; it's not a great hack on the Great Firewall; it's not a
heroic Neo-like denouement to save the Gates of Zion, but it's a
solution that gives them positive optionality and it shows a huge,
whopping-great bully he's at his weakest when he flexes his
muscles towards the vulnerable.</p>
<p>Maybe I'm a dreamer or a hopeless idealist, but the politics of
appeasement haven't worked and outright attack would be met with
the same with HK being collateral political damage. But this way
seems to tick all the boxes without violence and with little
downside. I've read everyone's ideas with interest and happy to
listen to any others (preferably lacking the word "should" eg.
"China should respect HK..." Yes. We know.)</p>
<p>Thanks for listening,<br>
Lee</p>
<p>(....and back to lurk mode!)<br>
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<p>On 27/05/2020 19:56, Yosem Companys wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">This is an excellent follow up. Thank you.
I will bring up to the topic with the folks in Hong Kong
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Wed, May 27, 2020 6:32 PM,
Robert Mathews (OSIA) <span dir="ltr"> <a
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<div>On 5/26/20 6:00 AM, <a
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<div dir="ltr">Of course. But this is not
a push model. Local actors have already
asked for our help. They have asked <span
data-wpkgv="true" data-ddnwab="PR_1_0">we
brainstorm</span> ways in which
Liberationtech could help them do things
that have not been done in the past.
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I present my apologies in advance for <b>this quick
penning,</b> and for presenting the following
multi-dimensional content to the group -- in the way
that I estimate the content must be, and has been
presented below.<br>
<br>
The question in the 'subject-line' of the original
message Yosem had dispatched to the list read: "What
could we at Liberationtech do to help pro-democracy
HK activists protest China's new security law?"
Subsequently, Yosem shared more information in a
message to Eric Fu, stating, "They have asked we
brainstorm ways in which Liberationtech could help
them do things that have not been done in the past."<br>
<br>
To this, some clarification might benefit all. WHAT
is the problem "in reality," that Liberationtech
could assist brainstorm-on, and possibly as a
"crowd-resource"? Is it, to reveal more effective
ways of "demonstrating" the opposition's position,
or are there "other" implied/undeclared objectives
upon which a "brainstorming" must be had? <br>
<br>
I present the following open-source media reporting
as a basis for asking the aforementioned questions.
Permit me to further highlight the issues "on the
ground", as reported.<br>
<br>
Since 9/11, police forces around the world have
increasingly become para-militarized.
Consequentially, in this and other instances, when
established instruments of "power-systems"
meet/confront citizens-on-the-street (as it has in
Hong Kong), on such matters as the seemingly
'inexorable' political condition there (as the <b>AFP</b>
story indicates below), the confrontations with
Police forces will increasingly become brutal and
destructive. But, this is NOT just a post 9/11
condition, it is historical. <b>(</b><b>Comments
Continue below the link)</b><br>
<br>
<font size="+1"><b>Hong Kong police stamp out
national anthem law protests</b></font><br>
AFP<br>
27 MAY 2020<br>
<a
href="https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/hong-kong-police-stamp-out-national-anthem-law-protests-doc-1sa9dv7"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/hong-kong-police-stamp-out-national-anthem-law-protests-doc-1sa9dv7</a><br>
<br>
---><br>
<br>
Also, considering that the U.S. State Department has
"hurriedly communicated" to US Congress that
conditions in Hong Kong are no longer tenable/in
compliance with findings and declarations under "22
USC Ch. 66 - Subchapter 1 - Policy (United
States-Hong Kong Policy)" [ <a
href="https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter66&edition=prelim"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter66&edition=prelim</a>
AND <a
href="https://www.state.gov/prc-national-peoples-congress-proposal-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.state.gov/prc-national-peoples-congress-proposal-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/</a>
] and therefore, recommending that the standing US
policy be revoked, only complicates matters <font
color="#ff0000"><b>(enormously)</b></font> for ALL
residents of Hong Kong.<br>
<br>
Adjacently, in media reporting from the
Sub-Continent, NDTV has noted the sentiments of a
Hotel Manager and a female protester as follows:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px"><i>"I'm scared
... if you don't come out today, you'll never be
able to come out. This is legislation that
directly affects us," said Ryan Tsang, a hotel
manager.</i><i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i>AND<i><br>
</i><i><br>
</i><i>"Although you're afraid inside your heart,
you need to speak out," said Chang, 29, a clerk
and protester dressed in black with a helmet
respirator and goggles in her backpack.</i><i><br>
<br>
</i></blockquote>
Street demonstrations aside, how are the residents
of Hong Kong to productively determine their future,
and can they? Is "showing-up" on the street, the
adequate measure to be taken?<br>
<br>
<b>(</b><b>Comments Continue below the link)</b><br>
<br>
<font size="+1"><b>Riot Police Deployed In Hong Kong
Over Protests Against Chinese Anthem Bill</b></font><br>
The anthem bill is set for a second reading on
Wednesday and is expected to become law next month.<br>
NDTV<br>
May 27, 2020 11:37 am IST<br>
<a
href="https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/riot-police-deployed-in-hong-kong-over-protests-against-chinese-anthem-bill-2235785"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/riot-police-deployed-in-hong-kong-over-protests-against-chinese-anthem-bill-2235785</a><br>
<br>
---><br>
<br>
Given the escalations we are witnessing, what is the
strategy (if any) of/for residents and their
political future in Hong Kong? What, if anything,
can Liberatontech do to support in that regard, is a
question that could - more concretely - be
posed.... (personal view)... External to that,
WHAT precisely must/can Liberationtech 'brainstorm',
and with what goal for Hong Kong in mind?<br>
<br>
A few more recent open-source media reports that
might bre more informational for the membership....<br>
<br>
<font size="+1"><b>Hong Kong's richest man Li
Ka-shing defends China's plans for security law</b></font><br>
CNN Digital Rebranding 2013<br>
By Michelle Toh, <br>
CNN Business<br>
Updated 8:08 AM ET, Wed May 27, 2020<br>
<a
href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/business/li-ka-shing-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/business/li-ka-shing-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html</a><br>
<br>
--><br>
<br>
<font size="+1"><b>China's Hong Kong law set to bar
foreign judges from national security cases:
sources</b></font><br>
Yew Lun Tian<br>
REUTERS<br>
MAY 26, 2020<br>
<a
href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-hongkong-security/chinas-hong-kong-law-set-to-bar-foreign-judges-from-national-security-cases-sources-idUSKBN2321CW"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-hongkong-security/chinas-hong-kong-law-set-to-bar-foreign-judges-from-national-security-cases-sources-idUSKBN2321CW</a><br>
<br>
BEIJING (Reuters) - Beijing’s planned national
security legislation for Hong Kong is set to block
its foreign judges from handling national security
trials, people familiar with the matter said, which
would exacerbate concerns about the city’s judicial
independence.<br>
-- <br>
<font color="#b3b3b3"><i>Dr. Robert Mathews, D.Phil.<br>
Principal Technologist &<br>
</i><i>Distinguished Senior Research Scholar</i><i><br>
</i><i>Office of Scientific Inquiry &
Applications (OSIA)</i><i><br>
</i><i>University of Hawai'i</i></font></div>
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