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<![endif]--> <table class="container" lang="container" dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tr> <td valign="top" class="message-wrapper" style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <!--[if mso]><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="border-collapse:separate;"><tr><td valign="top"><![endif]--> <div dir="ltr"><div>Excellent point, Lee. </div><div><br></div><div>To wit, Annalee Saxenian said something similar of Chinese and Indian immigrant engineers to Silicon Valley: </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">When local technologists claim that 'Silicon Valley is built on ICs' they refer not to the integrated circuit but to Indian and Chinese engineers.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">[...]</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The entrepreneurial contributions of these skilled immigrants are impressive. In 1998, Chinese and Indian engineers, most of whom arrived in the United States after 1970 to pursue graduate studies, were senior executives at one-quarter of Silicon Valley’s new technology businesses. These immigrant-run companies collectively accounted for more than $16.8 billion in sales and 58,282 jobs in 1998. Moreover, Chinese and Indian immigrants started companies at an accelerating rate in the 1990s.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">[...]</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">...they have created a rich fabric of professional and associational activities that facilitate immigrant job search, information exchange, access to capital and managerial knowhow, and the creation of shared ethnic identities. The region’s most successful Chinese and Indian entrepreneurs rely heavily on such ethnic resources while simultaneously integrating into the mainstream technology economy.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">These networks are not simply local. Silicon Valley’s new immigrant entrepreneurs are building far-reaching professional and business ties to<div>regions in Asia. They are uniquely positioned because their language skills and technical and cultural know-how allow them to function</div><div>effectively in the business culture of their home countries as well as in Silicon Valley. ... In this process, Silicon Valley–based entrepreneurs benefit from the significant flows of capital that these immigrants coordinate, as well as from the privileged access that they provide to Asian markets and to Taiwan’s flexible, state-of-the-art semiconductor and personal computer manufacturing capabilities. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Saxenian warned: <br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Restricting the immigration of skilled workers, for example, could have substantially more far-reaching consequences for economic development than most policymakers recognize, affecting not only the supply of skilled workers but also the rate of entrepreneurship, the level of international investment and trade, and California’s economic growth.</blockquote><div><br></div><div> <!--[if mso]>
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But can I add one bit of perspective?</p> <p>Firstly, despite huge ongoing protests before the Covid, China decided to go ahead with this anyway. They've upped the ante and they have (most of) the power, including the will to act contrary to world opinion. <br> </p> <p>Secondly, and more importantly, Something the PRC leadership seem to have forgotten is the entirety of the value-add of HK walks home from the cars, buses and subways in leather shoes every night and is literally contained between the ears of every HK resident in the province. What HK'ers know and are capable of doing doesn't necessarily have to be done there as the diasporas of Vancouver and London have proven. They are the precious commodity; not the rock they live on.<br> </p> <p>In my opinion, urging our leaders to adopt an open-door policy to any resident of Hong Kong that wants to emigrate would be the most effective way to concentrate the minds of the PRC leadership. A Pyrrhic victory of winning a few buildings on a rock with some sycophants that stayed behind is not the look Chairman Xi can successfully take back to the National People's Congress. <br> </p> <p>I may be wrong, but if we welcomed the Anabaptists and Jews and Huguenots and many others backintheday and gave them space to become some of the most creative and productive people in their adopted lands, we can be prepared to do the same for the people of Hong Kong today. Maggie Thatcher didn't give them passports because she believed China was serious about wanting to make the 1 country/2 systems thing work and that HK would end up influencing China to the extent HK would be happy to be united with the mainland. Clearly China (ironically) didn't have the patience. <br> </p> <p>I know this isn't The Way to some on the list; it isn't clever code; it's not a great hack on the Great Firewall; it's not a heroic Neo-like denouement to save the Gates of Zion, but it's a solution that gives them positive optionality and it shows a huge, whopping-great bully he's at his weakest when he flexes his muscles towards the vulnerable.</p> <p>Maybe I'm a dreamer or a hopeless idealist, but the politics of appeasement haven't worked and outright attack would be met with the same with HK being collateral political damage. But this way seems to tick all the boxes without violence and with little downside. I've read everyone's ideas with interest and happy to listen to any others (preferably lacking the word "should" eg. "China should respect HK..." Yes. We know.)</p> <p>Thanks for listening,<br> Lee</p> <p>(....and back to lurk mode!)<br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>On 27/05/2020 19:56, Yosem Companys wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 40px"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" lang="container" style="width:100%" valign="top" dir="ltr"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <div dir="ltr">This is an excellent follow up. Thank you. I will bring up to the topic with the folks in Hong Kong and pose these questions to them as well.</div> <img align="left" height="0" width="0" alt="" src="https://compose.mixmax.com/img/blank.png" style="border:0;width:0px;height:0px"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div> <div> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br> </p> <div> <p data-m-apply-default-font="true"><br> </p> <div> On Wed, May 27, 2020 6:32 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:mathews@hawaii.edu" target="_blank">mathews@hawaii.edu</a></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> <div lang="x-unicode"> <div>On 5/26/20 6:00 AM, <a href="mailto:lt-request@lists.liberationtech.org" target="_blank">lt-request@lists.liberationtech.org</a> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px" type="cite"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">From: </div> Yosem Companys <a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" target="_blank"><ycompanys@gmail.com></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">Date: </div> 5/25/20, 6:55 PM</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">To: </div> Eric FU <a href="mailto:fujunscnu@gmail.com" target="_blank"><fujunscnu@gmail.com></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">CC: </div> LT <a href="mailto:lt@lists.liberationtech.org" target="_blank"><lt@lists.liberationtech.org></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <div lang="x-unicode"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" lang="container" dir="ltr" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="color:#222;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <div dir="ltr">Of course. But this is not a push model. Local actors have already asked for our help. They have asked <span data-ddnwab="PR_1_0" data-wpkgv="true">we brainstorm</span> ways in which Liberationtech could help them do things that have not been done in the past. <div><br> </div> </div> <img align="left" height="0" width="0" style="border:0;width:0px;height:0px" src="https://compose.mixmax.com/img/blank.png" alt=""> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> I present my apologies in advance for <b>this quick penning,</b> and for presenting the following multi-dimensional content to the group -- in the way that I estimate the content must be, and has been presented below.<br> <br> The question in the 'subject-line' of the original message Yosem had dispatched to the list read: "What could we at Liberationtech do to help pro-democracy HK activists protest China's new security law?" Subsequently, Yosem shared more information in a message to Eric Fu, stating, "They have asked we brainstorm ways in which Liberationtech could help them do things that have not been done in the past."<br> <br> To this, some clarification might benefit all. WHAT is the problem "in reality," that Liberationtech could assist brainstorm-on, and possibly as a "crowd-resource"? Is it, to reveal more effective ways of "demonstrating" the opposition's position, or are there "other" implied/undeclared objectives upon which a "brainstorming" must be had? <br> <br> I present the following open-source media reporting as a basis for asking the aforementioned questions. Permit me to further highlight the issues "on the ground", as reported.<br> <br> Since 9/11, police forces around the world have increasingly become para-militarized. Consequentially, in this and other instances, when established instruments of "power-systems" meet/confront citizens-on-the-street (as it has in Hong Kong), on such matters as the seemingly 'inexorable' political condition there (as the <b>AFP</b> story indicates below), the confrontations with Police forces will increasingly become brutal and destructive. But, this is NOT just a post 9/11 condition, it is historical. <b>(</b><b>Comments Continue below the link)</b><br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>Hong Kong police stamp out national anthem law protests</b></font><br> AFP<br> 27 MAY 2020<br> <a href="https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/hong-kong-police-stamp-out-national-anthem-law-protests-doc-1sa9dv7" target="_blank">https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/hong-kong-police-stamp-out-national-anthem-law-protests-doc-1sa9dv7</a><br> <br> ---><br> <br> Also, considering that the U.S. State Department has "hurriedly communicated" to US Congress that conditions in Hong Kong are no longer tenable/in compliance with findings and declarations under "22 USC Ch. 66 - Subchapter 1 - Policy (United States-Hong Kong Policy)" [ <a href="https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter66&edition=prelim" target="_blank">https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter66&edition=prelim</a> AND <a href="https://www.state.gov/prc-national-peoples-congress-proposal-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/" target="_blank">https://www.state.gov/prc-national-peoples-congress-proposal-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/</a> ] and therefore, recommending that the standing US policy be revoked, only complicates matters <font color="#ff0000"><b>(enormously)</b></font> for ALL residents of Hong Kong.<br> <br> Adjacently, in media reporting from the Sub-Continent, NDTV has noted the sentiments of a Hotel Manager and a female protester as follows:<br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px"><i>"I'm scared ... if you don't come out today, you'll never be able to come out. This is legislation that directly affects us," said Ryan Tsang, a hotel manager.</i><i><br> </i><i><br> </i>AND<i><br> </i><i><br> </i><i>"Although you're afraid inside your heart, you need to speak out," said Chang, 29, a clerk and protester dressed in black with a helmet respirator and goggles in her backpack.</i><i><br> <br> </i></blockquote> Street demonstrations aside, how are the residents of Hong Kong to productively determine their future, and can they? Is "showing-up" on the street, the adequate measure to be taken?<br> <br> <b>(</b><b>Comments Continue below the link)</b><br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>Riot Police Deployed In Hong Kong Over Protests Against Chinese Anthem Bill</b></font><br> The anthem bill is set for a second reading on Wednesday and is expected to become law next month.<br> NDTV<br> May 27, 2020 11:37 am IST<br> <a href="https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/riot-police-deployed-in-hong-kong-over-protests-against-chinese-anthem-bill-2235785" target="_blank">https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/riot-police-deployed-in-hong-kong-over-protests-against-chinese-anthem-bill-2235785</a><br> <br> ---><br> <br> Given the escalations we are witnessing, what is the strategy (if any) of/for residents and their political future in Hong Kong? What, if anything, can Liberatontech do to support in that regard, is a question that could - more concretely - be posed.... (personal view)... External to that, WHAT precisely must/can Liberationtech 'brainstorm', and with what goal for Hong Kong in mind?<br> <br> A few more recent open-source media reports that might bre more informational for the membership....<br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>Hong Kong's richest man Li Ka-shing defends China's plans for security law</b></font><br> CNN Digital Rebranding 2013<br> By Michelle Toh, <br> CNN Business<br> Updated 8:08 AM ET, Wed May 27, 2020<br> <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/business/li-ka-shing-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html" target="_blank">https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/business/li-ka-shing-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html</a><br> <br> --><br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>China's Hong Kong law set to bar foreign judges from national security cases: sources</b></font><br> Yew Lun Tian<br> REUTERS<br> MAY 26, 2020<br> <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-hongkong-security/chinas-hong-kong-law-set-to-bar-foreign-judges-from-national-security-cases-sources-idUSKBN2321CW" target="_blank">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-hongkong-security/chinas-hong-kong-law-set-to-bar-foreign-judges-from-national-security-cases-sources-idUSKBN2321CW</a><br> <br> BEIJING (Reuters) - Beijing’s planned national security legislation for Hong Kong is set to block its foreign judges from handling national security trials, people familiar with the matter said, which would exacerbate concerns about the city’s judicial independence.<br> -- <br> <font color="#b3b3b3"><i>Dr. Robert Mathews, D.Phil.<br> Principal Technologist &<br> </i><i>Distinguished Senior Research Scholar</i><i><br> </i><i>Office of Scientific Inquiry & Applications (OSIA)</i><i><br> </i><i>University of Hawai'i</i></font></div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset></fieldset> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>