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<body>There was some talk about this at the Flatten the Curve Summit. At first, I thought this technology would be interesting, but now I have doubts about it. It doesn't seem very useful to trace people if you can't test them, first of all. I also wonder how the random numbers are generated -- will they use your device or advertising ID? How can you tell when they embed this technology in their proprietary, secret OSes anyway? I also haven't seen what the authentication layer is -- will you need a google account? -- or more generally, how they plan to protect the system from attackers. It's also not clear to me who owns the data, where it is stored, how much of it, or for how long. And when does the tracing end? They also have not solved fundamental problems about this tech, like signals going through walls.<br><br>Unless these and other questions are answered (maybe they have and I haven't caught up), this just seems to me like an attempt by corporations to use the situation as an excuse to creep in more into people's lives. It never hurts to remember that they are powered by profit, not good will.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 23, 2020 7:01:37 PM PDT, "Robert Mathews (OSIA)" <mathews@hawaii.edu> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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This appears to be virtue signaling. France is asking that the
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that France has developed a slightly less secure tracing
method than the coming Apple/Google API/OS built-in. The
current limitation is that Apple doesn’t allow Bluetooth to
run on the iPhone, if the app is in the background and the
data leaves the phone. This has crippled TraceTogether,
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Notions of <b>'contact tracing'</b> must be considered in broader
'technical' and 'technological' terms. For instance, consider this
following headline, which I have been discussing with my team since
its publication.<br>
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<font size="+1"><b>"2 billion phones cannot use Google and Apple
contact-tracing tech System developed by Silicon Valley relies
on technology missing from older handsets."</b></font><br>
TIM BRADSHAW, FT.COM - 4/20/2020, 12:29 PM<br>
<b>arsTECHNICA</b><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/2-billion-phones-cannot-use-google-and-apple-contract-tracing-tech/">https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/2-billion-phones-cannot-use-google-and-apple-contract-tracing-tech/</a><br>
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MANY such subscriber-linked mobile handsets in-service are located
within <b>the Continent of Africa</b>, and the <b>Indian
Sub-Continent.</b> And, they are MOSTLY NOT - iPhone 10s.<br>
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Of this, I shared the following sentiment with my staff and extended
teams....<br>
<blockquote><i><i>This story SHOULD teach us that, no matter how
LARGE any "tech" company may be, if those human beings WITHIN
are NOT disposed to understanding "SYSTEMS" more wholistically
(a widely abused term), products born out of this lack of
understanding cannot be expected to meet basic aspects of </i></i><i><i><i><i>functional</i><i>ity</i></i></i><i>
. </i></i><i>It also goes without saying that SYSTEMS so
constructed can also 'not' be expected to 'INTEROPERATE
reliably' with OTHER systems of a LIKE, and/or UNLIKE
construction too.</i><br>
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<div class="moz-signature">In this respect at least, and more
importantly, taking note of the UNIVERSALITY of COVID-19, backward
operational compatibility and INCLUSIVITY should have been
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