<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I beg to disagree. For me, the term “secure” is very well defined, as well as “private” - there’s a large body of research and findings and sets of best practices about “securing” conversations and meetings against “hackers and listeners!” In fact, I’ve said it before in this list: the obsession with “security” has blinded, in my not so humble opinion, this list towards other human rights issues that are very relevant, like the plight of the poor, the migrants, people of color, people non-conforming to the gender and sex norms of today, etc..<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Richard Brooks <<a href="mailto:rrb@g.clemson.edu" class="">rrb@g.clemson.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">"Depends on what the meaning of is is." In general, secure is<br class="">currently such a poorly defined concept that I do not see<br class="">how you could realistically say they are not.<br class=""><br class="">The terms "Secure" and "Private" have been abused so much,<br class="">and the vast majority of systems referred to as secure(private)<br class="">are not.<br class=""><br class="">The current definition of "secure" seems to be that the<br class="">vendor pushes out patches frequently. Or, maybe they force<br class="">you into using passwords that are impossible to remember.<br class=""><br class="">I doubt you can really call it false advertising.<br class=""><br class="">On 4/20/20 1:14 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">The Unfortunate part of this type of marketing appeal is that it works and draws lots of people (including a niece that had a supercool literary reading on that service yesterday thinking it was better than the alternatives I guess - zoom google etc..)<br class=""><br class="">But if it’s false then I hope lawyers get to work and file “deceitful Advertising “ lawsuits against the service..<br class=""><br class="">Regards / Saludos / Grato<br class=""><br class="">Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Apr 20, 2020, at 11:51 AM, bo0od <<a href="mailto:bo0od@riseup.net" class="">bo0od@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">it doesnt matter if its mentioned in wikipedia or not, but the questions should be asked before checking any service:<br class=""><br class="">- Is it based on free/libre software?<br class="">- How much they value your privacy through lets say decentralization or ability to host your own service or its working over Tor and I2P ...etc<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">well if we try to apply both of these points on BlueJeans service we gonna have DirtyJeans.<br class=""><br class="">Website blocking Tor users access thats just first indication of horrible service:<br class=""><br class="">```<br class="">Access Denied<br class="">You don't have permission to access "<a href="http://www.bluejeans.com/" class="">http://www.bluejeans.com/</a>" on this server.<br class=""><br class="">Reference #18.85uk0017.1587390690.13d1497c<br class="">```<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">BlueJeans' website <a href="https://www.bluejeans.com/" class="">https://www.bluejeans.com/</a> says so, "Empower Your Remote<br class="">Workforce with Secure Video Conferencing," but Wikipedia<br class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueJeans" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueJeans</a> does not say anything, not that that is<br class="">or should be the most authoritative source!<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">-- <br class="">Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: <a href="https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt" class="">https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt</a>. Unsubscribe, change to digest mode, or change password by emailing <a href="mailto:lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org" class="">lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org</a>.<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: <a href="https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt" class="">https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt</a>. Unsubscribe, change to digest mode, or change password by emailing <a href="mailto:lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org" class="">lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org</a>.</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>