<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hey Doug, PLEASE, I’d like a simple example of, not even the plural you used, but a single one: “governments [that] are all acting on our behalf, <b class="">which may actually be true in some locations in the world!!!"</b><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Besides, there is a huge difference between “planning in secret” (BTW, the usual rule in ALL of the FIRST WORLD) and issues of encryption..😈</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Doug Schuler <<a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org" class="">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">This is in no way to argue against security and the ability to keep organized crime from going where they don't belong — especially for financial transactions and private information. On the other hand the line "Our governments and their officials should plan in secret" seems to strengthen the hand of despotic governments. It seems to imply that these governments are all acting on our behalf, which may actually be true in some locations in the world. I believe that government is absolutely necessary but without transparency things are hopeless. In fact, maybe the new emphasis on conferencing *could* help open things up. I'm in a foul humor because I live in the US and yes, "our" government does try very hard to "plan in secret."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">— Doug</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:58 AM Tim McNamara <<a href="mailto:paperless@timmcnamara.co.nz" class="">paperless@timmcnamara.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi all, keen to receive any feedback on this blog post I'm drafting...<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><h1 class="">Billions of reasons why officials should not trust Zoom</h1><p class="">This year has seen governments take unprecedented action to defeat the world's most significant public health threat in over a century. Much of that action involves money. Lots of money.</p><p class="">Officials and politicians deciding on economic stimulus packages around have a problem: they can't talk face-to-face behind closed doors like they're used to. Instead, they're turning to technology. Many of these services have unproven security credentials. Using insecure tools will allow the worst elements in our societies to benefit from the crisis.</p><p class="">Starting now, there is an increased financial incentive to break into video conferencing systems. Billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars of subsidy money will be provided by governments around the world. That money will be unevenly spread. Many companies will fall. Some will not.</p><p class="">Organised criminals and hostile nation-states have significant technological resources. They are well placed to exploit misplaced trust in computer systems. Our governments and their officials should plan in secret. Guaranteed secrecy while decisions are being made is the best way to keep economies alive.</p><p class="">Governments should consider hosting their own video conferencing platform. Open-source tools such as Jitsi Meet, BigBlueButton and Apache OpenMeetings can all be deployed cost-effectively and securely behind a firewall. Perhaps most importantly, they don't require meeting participants to install anything onto their computer.</p><p class="">Deploying these open source video conferencing technologies provides multiple benefits. The security within the system can be validated. Staff managing the service can be vetted. Data can stay local. Most importantly though, secrets can stay secret.</p></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Original <a href="https://cloud.nzoss.nz/s/F2r3rDZsEaypKNf" target="_blank" class="">https://cloud.nzoss.nz/s/F2r3rDZsEaypKNf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><b class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Tim McNamara</span></font></b></div><div class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Vice President, New Zealand Open Source Society</span></font></div><div class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Author, Rust in Action</span></font></div><div class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><a href="https://tim.mcnamara.nz/" target="_blank" class="">https://tim.mcnamara.nz</a> | </span></font><span class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><a href="http://twitter.com/timClicks" target="_blank" class="">@timClicks</a> </span></font></span><br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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