<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 10 Jan 2020, at 20:02, Doug Schuler <<a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org" class="">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I'm not persuaded by references to Athenian democracy as the last "real democracy” </span></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>That was not claimed. The point was to use the term "Democracy “ in a technically correct manner.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I cite many other instances here:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://groups.io/g/democracy" class="">https://groups.io/g/democracy</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">because even then women and slaves could not vote. </span></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>This is just a definition issue. </div><div>The question of who counts as a citizen is a separate issue, when we are talking about a way to reach decisions. Arguing that the USA wasn’t a “democracy” before women got the vote doesn’t help when dealing with technical questions. </div></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>dss</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics<br class="">Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark<br class=""><a href="mailto:dss@socialinformatics.org" class="">dss@socialinformatics.org</a> Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070</div></div></div>
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