<div dir="ltr">If you are interested in this the USACM, and the corresponding body in Europe, are active in the issue. The most resent example of USACM activity was responding to a Federal Request For Comments by HUD, which I bring to your attention. (A request for comments precedes a notice of proposed rulemaking which precedes rulemaking, and requires addressing the comments. So RFC is the best time to try to push for change. Later it also provides a record to challenge any rule that does not respond to the comments.)<div><br></div><div>So the proposed HUD changes, for our dystopian future, would make it impossible to take civil or regulatory action (e.g., sue or sanction) against a company that uses AI to discriminate in mortgage rates. Basically recreating red-lining.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is another one where a bogus AI system looks at faces to determine who to hire: </div><div><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/22/ai-hiring-face-scanning-algorithm-increasingly-decides-whether-you-deserve-job/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/22/ai-hiring-face-scanning-algorithm-increasingly-decides-whether-you-deserve-job/</a><br><br>EPIC has asked the FTC to investigate this::<br><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/epic-s-ftc-complaint-about-hirevue/9797b738-e36a-4b7a-8936-667cf8748907/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/epic-s-ftc-complaint-about-hirevue/9797b738-e36a-4b7a-8936-667cf8748907/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>So there are organizations working if not for Ethical AI at least against Odious AI.</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 2:50 AM Steve Phillips <<a href="mailto:steve@tryingtobeawesome.com">steve@tryingtobeawesome.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There are those of us who sincerely care about aligning AI with human values so that it doesn't make anti-human decisions as it becomes more powerful, and there are serious efforts in the AI safety/AI alignment communities to tackle this extraordinarily difficult technical challenge.<br><br>But "AI ethics" is a much more vague notion, and not one I've seen connected to meaningful action.<br><br>--Steve<br><br><br><br>On Monday, December 23, 2019, Paola Di Maio <<a href="mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com" target="_blank">paola.dimaio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> I have been working on AI Ethics participated in some institutional efforts (like IEEE) <br>> and I can confirm that all the efforts I participated in were piloted and superficial, designed to create<br>> an impression that ethics is a concern, but avoiding and failing totally to address it<br>> I felt I was going mad for a while<br>> PDM<br>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 5:57 AM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" target="_blank">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> I missed this piece on how the field of AI ethics was seemingly borne out of tech giants' lobbying and funding of academia. -- YC<br>>><br>>> ****<br>>> I learned that the discourse of “ethical AI”... was aligned strategically with a Silicon Valley effort seeking to avoid legally enforceable restrictions of controversial technologies. A key group behind this effort... made policy recommendations in California that contradicted the conclusions of research I conducted with several lab colleagues, research that led us to oppose the use of computer algorithms in deciding whether to jail people pending trial. ... I also watched MIT help the U.S. military brush aside the moral complexities of drone warfare, hosting a superficial talk on AI and ethics by Henry Kissinger, the former secretary of state and notorious war criminal, and giving input on the U.S. Department of Defense’s “AI Ethics Principles” for warfare, which embraced “permissibly biased” algorithms and which avoided using the word “fairness” because the Pentagon believes “that fights should not be fair.”<br>>><br>>> <a href="https://theintercept.com/2019/12/20/mit-ethical-ai-artificial-intelligence/" target="_blank">https://theintercept.com/2019/12/20/mit-ethical-ai-artificial-intelligence/</a> <br>>> --<br>>> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: <a href="https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt" target="_blank">https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt</a>. Unsubscribe, change to digest mode, or change password by emailing <a href="mailto:lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org" target="_blank">lt-owner@lists.liberationtech.org</a>.
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