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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">Um *checks bank balance and food in refrigerator* -- don't think I'm in servitude to any powers, big guy.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">I think if you read some of my posts, you'll see that I point out that those who really are in servitude to power</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">are these poor hackers lured to their doom by those with well-paid academic posts or worse, giant IT companies</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">who exploit their free labour and re-sell it in their own products.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">When I used to criticize hackers and big IT 5-6 years ago, I'd be brutally harassed by people like Jacob Appelbaum.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">Now, it's not so hard to explain why I was right, why he was a bad actor, and now the whole country is protesting about Facebook,</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">which of course, comes out of the nihilist and cynical hacker culture, so it's not surprising how it turned out.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">But I never understand why those of you who are screeching about Facebook and Google now can't do the math, and understand</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">the deep connection between loss of privacy and democracy, and the loss of private property rights and the rule of law which you</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">yourselves helped bring about.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">Your hero's ex-girlfriend lied to the grand jury, in fact. Coerced? No, just without the courage of her convictions.</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><a href="https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2018/02/why-is-hal-abelson-believing-quinn-nortons-lies-about-aaron-swartzs-guerilla-manifesto.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class=""><font size="3">https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2018/02/why-is-hal-abelson-believing-quinn-nortons-lies-about-aaron-swartzs-guerilla-manifesto.html</font></a><div style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">To describe someone who has *committed suicide* as having "sacrified his life" for a cause or having been "murdered by a government"</font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">so distorts reality, so turns common sense on its ear, that I can only reiterate that the greatest threat to our freedoms doesn't come from Russia, or Trump, but people like you.</font></div><div style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">Catherine Fitzpatrick</font></div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px;"><br></div>
        
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                    On Saturday, November 9, 2019, 04:38:42 PM EST, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
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                <div><div dir="ltr">Aaron was a very brave and brilliant man. Mentally unstable, not at <br clear="none">all, that cheapening charge should be seen as an admitted insecurity <br clear="none">of accusers, for some of them a badge of servitude to power (see <br clear="none">links provided by the poster).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Friends and supporters turned on him after years of high praise and <br clear="none">admiration. The justice system hounded him in response to <br clear="none">institutional and corporate (copyight and intellectural property) <br clear="none">pressure and an amply funded campaign of adverse publicity.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">A number of people close to Aaron were coerced into testifying <br clear="none">against him (some have publicly described this coercion).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The fight Aaron courageusly fought and sacrificed his life for <br clear="none">continues unabated.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Pathetically, so does the negativism of profit-maximizers and their <br clear="none">apologists, be they snottily witting or snivelingly coerced.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">At 04:03 PM 11/9/2019, you wrote:<br clear="none">>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;<br clear="none">>         boundary="----=_Part_1278258_1267560078.1573333393199"<br clear="none">>Content-Length: 8685<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>No.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>The government did not kill Aaron Swartz. He committed suicide, for <br clear="none">>which he alone<br clear="none">>is responsible.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Nor was he really going to get any long sentence. The judge had <br clear="none">>ruled that he seek mental health<br clear="none">>treatment, and he was offered a six month sentence.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>He was not found unfit to stand trial.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>His partner was worried he was going to hurt himself and didn't want <br clear="none">>to leave him<br clear="none">>alone but finally had to go to work, since she supported them both.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>He committed suicide because he was mentally unstable.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>He had also committed a crime, which was indeed breaking and entry <br clear="none">>and stealing<br clear="none">>copyrighted materials, which is not "taking out too many library <br clear="none">>books". Liberation<br clear="none">>tech should not be about criminality, yet too often it is. If you <br clear="none">>don't like the prices<br clear="none">>of academic journals and have no friend in academia to get them for <br clear="none">>you, you are<br clear="none">>not required to buy them nor entitled to steal them.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Seldom do radicals achieve their desired change by committing crime <br clear="none">>along the way that they<br clear="none">>view is merely the bending of unjust laws. Often they achieve the opposite.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><<a shape="rect" href="https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/the-internet-revolution-has-eaten-another-child.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/the-internet-revolution-has-eaten-another-child.html</a>><a shape="rect" href="https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/the-internet-revolution-has-eaten-another-child.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/the-internet-revolution-has-eaten-another-child.html</a><br clear="none">><a shape="rect" href="https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/aaron-swartz-committed-a-crime-but-would-not-do-the-time.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/aaron-swartz-committed-a-crime-but-would-not-do-the-time.html</a><br clear="none">><<a shape="rect" href="https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/why-alex-stamos-is-completely-wrong-about-aaron-swartz.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/why-alex-stamos-is-completely-wrong-about-aaron-swartz.html</a>><a shape="rect" href="https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/why-alex-stamos-is-completely-wrong-about-aaron-swartz.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/01/why-alex-stamos-is-completely-wrong-about-aaron-swartz.html</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Catherine Fitzpatrick<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> >US gov killed him, FBI (Fuck Bullshit Intelligence)...  <- something<br clear="none">>like  these sentences should be always put as a reminder how the USA was<br clear="none">>and still corrupted.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Thanks for sharing!<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>Yosem Companys:<br clear="none">> > From: Anriette Esterhuysen <<mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" rel="nofollow" target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