<p dir="ltr">Carlo, are you volunteering to set up and maintain such a website?</p>
<p dir="ltr">I have been reading this thread and trying to determine whether, and how to respond.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I'll keep it brief. *No one* who has yet written believes slack or other closed source tools are "ideal." There are many reasons to choose any tool.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The major distinction in the replies to this thread are this:</p>
<p dir="ltr">A. People complaining without suggesting an alternative nor offering their time to facilitate a solution.<br>
B. People recognizing this is not ideal and offering a solution, volunteering to help, or requesting input from the community.</p>
<p dir="ltr">This distinction tends to permeate all efforts at organizing progressive/left/radical organizations.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Let's all try to be B type people.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Brian</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015, 10:54 <<a href="mailto:carlo@circular.pages.de">carlo@circular.pages.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 05:42:46PM +0100, Axel Roest wrote:<br>
> Seeing that 48% of the people on this list either uses a gmail account, or has his private domain hosted by google’s servers (as deducted from the mail headers), I think the extra paranoia against the US government on this list is overrated by most recipients.<br>
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Just means that it makes sense to stop using mailing lists<br>
if we can have a much more advanced and inclusive tool...<br>
<br>
Ta-dah.. a community website!<br>
<br>
Something that even the untechnologicaliest in the audience can<br>
use.. a website with a https:// address for the unprepared<br>
and an .onion address for the savvy and politically educated.<br>
<br>
Why go for anything less good?<br>
<br>
> Jonathan makes a valid point, this whole discussion has been going on over insecure email, without GPG etc.<br>
<br>
So get it off there.. even Gmail users aren't automatically<br>
wiretapped when they visit an encrypted website.. it might<br>
just accidentally happen to respect the constitution to do so!<br>
It is really time to put e-mail aside.. given its impressive<br>
powers of democracy destruction.<br>
<br>
> Personally, I love Slack for business purposes and currently subscribe to 7 development teams using it (none of them handling secure sw). It’s easy, runs on everything but my toaster, works flawlessly and even my dog should be able to handle it. If you want more secure, we can opt for OTR or Mattermost, but Slack is ubiquitous.<br>
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No, I've never heard of Slack before I heard of Mattermost.<br>
I also don't understand this comparison between Slack and IRC,<br>
which is comparing the inappropriate with the inappropriate.<br>
We can have Mattermost which seems to be offering everything we<br>
need.. discussion forums, chatrooms, all within reach for legal<br>
law enforcement, but not for illegal surveillance.<br>
<br>
Also, it's not OTR *or* Mattermost. It's Mattermost *and* OTR<br>
for the few that have a 1:1 interchange (as most of us already<br>
know each other, that doesn't depend on IFF really...)<br>
<br>
> I mostly agree with Aral and Bernard: current privacy software sucks from a UX point and I must humbly confess I have not fulfilled my pledge to do something about it last time in Hong Kong or Berlin.<br>
<br>
What sucks about a website based on Mattermost?<br>
Even mailing lists are harder for average people to handle<br>
as all the unsubscription requests have once again shown.<br>
<br>
It's not like I asked for everyone to install Bitmessage<br>
or GNUnet. I didn't even ask for everyone to fetch a<br>
Torbrowser although everybody should.<br>
<br>
> Carlo: Nice info from <a href="http://psyc.eu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">psyc.eu</a>, thanks.<br>
<br>
Glad to help sorting out the technical options.. rationally,<br>
not by belly feeling.<br>
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