<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To add and hopefully defuse the bikeshedding (<a href="http://bikeshed.com" class="">http://bikeshed.com</a>) : </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 27 Oct 2015, at 13:22, Bernard Tyers <<a href="mailto:ei8fdb@ei8fdb.org" class="">ei8fdb@ei8fdb.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">How many people are using their Gmail address for communication here?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I can answer that: </div><div class="">Seeing that 48% of the people on this list either uses a gmail account, or has his private domain hosted by google’s servers (as deducted from the mail headers), I think the extra paranoia against the US government on this list is overrated by most recipients. </div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jonathan makes a valid point, this whole discussion has been going on over insecure email, without GPG etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Personally, I love Slack for business purposes and currently subscribe to 7 development teams using it (none of them handling secure sw). It’s easy, runs on everything but my toaster, works flawlessly and even my dog should be able to handle it. If you want more secure, we can opt for OTR or Mattermost, but Slack is ubiquitous.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I mostly agree with Aral and Bernard: current privacy software sucks from a UX point and I must humbly confess I have not fulfilled my pledge to do something about it last time in Hong Kong or Berlin. </div><div class="">Aral (<span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="">(PS. I’m not sure I remember how I got added to all this or how I can help but happy to if I can.) :) ) </span>: that is the reason you are on this mailing list by the way.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Carlo: Nice info from <a href="http://psyc.eu" class="">psyc.eu</a>, thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Axel Roest</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Oct 2015, at 17:09, Xavi Galarza <<a href="mailto:xavigalarzahdez@gmail.com" class="">xavigalarzahdez@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">Unsuscribe me from this mailing list!! Thx</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">El 27/10/2015 18:08, "Ubaldo Huerta" <<a href="mailto:ubaldo@gmail.com" class="">ubaldo@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Please unsubscribe me from this<div class="">Argggggg!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">- Ubaldo<br class=""></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Smari McCarthy <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:smari@occrp.org" target="_blank" class="">smari@occrp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">But Stef, I assure you neither Oktavia nor the others involved in organizing this fest are uninformed. They are, dare I say, just trying to be pragmatic -- albeit in ways that may be contradicting some of the strongly held values here. Being polite is easy and more productive. Airing strongly held beliefs is doubleplus good, specially if it leads to productive outcomes.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I for one am interested to see Mattermost working, although I'm still unsure which problem it is intended to solve that this mailing list doesn't.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> - Smári</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:17 PM, stef <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:s@ctrlc.hu" target="_blank" class="">s@ctrlc.hu</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 03:21:44PM +0100, stef wrote:<br class="">
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 03:06:14PM +0100, stef wrote:<br class="">
</span><span class="">> this insensitivity is contra-selective. it drives away the people who are<br class="">
> relevant, and only attracts the ones without values.<br class="">
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> this feels like a fraternity organising a feminist event. what can go wrong?<br class="">
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</span>to explain and take the edge of a bit:<br class="">
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 04:04:03PM +0100, stef wrote:<br class="">
> to me this feels like cointelpro/jtrig tactics. the cointelpro office hires<br class="">
> some well meaning nice - but uninformed - people to organise an event, while<br class="">
> silently through contra-selectivity driving away the relevant people and water<br class="">
> down the whole community its values and efficiency.<br class="">
><br class="">
> if tools are used and deployed it should be rather the tools that this<br class="">
> community builds and cares for, this should be the cutting edge (even if i'd<br class="">
> be as much annoyed by the deployment of retroshare or tox, still it would fit<br class="">
> much better into the theme, than slack.<br class="">
><br class="">
> i have to note also that i previously had a discussion also about the iff<br class="">
> website, where the index.html was 137KB big, yet without JS only a spinner gif<br class="">
> was shown.<br class="">
><br class="">
> se yes, please dear organizers, get some respected people from this community<br class="">
> on board to advise you, there's lot's of things you can learn, and later<br class="">
> deploy at other events you organise, learn from us/them.<br class="">
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