<div dir="ltr">But Stef, I assure you neither Oktavia nor the others involved in organizing this fest are uninformed. They are, dare I say, just trying to be pragmatic -- albeit in ways that may be contradicting some of the strongly held values here. Being polite is easy and more productive. Airing strongly held beliefs is doubleplus good, specially if it leads to productive outcomes.<div><br></div><div>I for one am interested to see Mattermost working, although I'm still unsure which problem it is intended to solve that this mailing list doesn't.</div><div><br></div><div> - Smári</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:17 PM, stef <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:s@ctrlc.hu" target="_blank">s@ctrlc.hu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 03:21:44PM +0100, stef wrote:<br>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 03:06:14PM +0100, stef wrote:<br>
</span><span class="">> this insensitivity is contra-selective. it drives away the people who are<br>
> relevant, and only attracts the ones without values.<br>
><br>
> this feels like a fraternity organising a feminist event. what can go wrong?<br>
<br>
</span>to explain and take the edge of a bit:<br>
<br>
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 04:04:03PM +0100, stef wrote:<br>
> to me this feels like cointelpro/jtrig tactics. the cointelpro office hires<br>
> some well meaning nice - but uninformed - people to organise an event, while<br>
> silently through contra-selectivity driving away the relevant people and water<br>
> down the whole community its values and efficiency.<br>
><br>
> if tools are used and deployed it should be rather the tools that this<br>
> community builds and cares for, this should be the cutting edge (even if i'd<br>
> be as much annoyed by the deployment of retroshare or tox, still it would fit<br>
> much better into the theme, than slack.<br>
><br>
> i have to note also that i previously had a discussion also about the iff<br>
> website, where the index.html was 137KB big, yet without JS only a spinner gif<br>
> was shown.<br>
><br>
> se yes, please dear organizers, get some respected people from this community<br>
> on board to advise you, there's lot's of things you can learn, and later<br>
> deploy at other events you organise, learn from us/them.<br>
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otr fp: <a href="https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt</a><br>
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