<div dir="auto">Thank you Fieke! </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’ve been working in AI for a while, and am curious how to define degrowth computing.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Growth at OpenAI and Google and Anthropic is defined in terms of number of AI model parameters (weights and biases), number of datapoints (tokens/iotas of text data), and number of floating points operations per second utilized by the model during training (corresponding to 100 megawatts or so per training run).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does that make sense? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If these definitions somewhat make sense than degrowth would imply smaller models, perhaps not running on data center GPU hardware (which is 60% lost in terms of heat/entropy for common GPUs like NVIDIA H100s).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is happening - perhaps the following reading could help? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-02998-y">https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-02998-y</a></div><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you so much! I’m learning a lot from these sessions 🙏🙇♂️</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 5:41 AM Fieke <<a href="mailto:fieke@criticalinfralab.net">fieke@criticalinfralab.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><u></u>
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<p>Hi environment readers,</p>
<p>We had another great session talking about resourcification, and
how this is different or relates to extractivism. </p>
<p>Now that we moved from reading books to reading articles, our own
and others, the schedule keeps on shifting. We might not always
use the mailing list to update people on the chances. So <b>CHECK</b>
the <a href="https://www.criticalinfralab.net/2024/02/01/environment-reading-group/" target="_blank">critical
infra lab website</a> for the next reading and updated schedule! </p>
<p>What has changed for the next two session is that we move the
degrowth and IETF paper around. The new schedule is:<br>
</p>
<ul>
<li>October 8: What might degrowth computing look like? +
Strategies for Degrowth Computing</li>
<li>October 22: Fieke Jansen – paper on IETF; framing
environmental concerns and sustainability solutions (email fieke
for a copy) + Solar Protocol: Exploring Energy-Centered Design</li>
</ul>
<div>See you in two week</div></div><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Fieke<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On 10-09-2024 18:53, Fieke wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi environment readers,</p>
<p>It was great to read and discuss Janna chapter with you today.
I'm emailing to share a change in our reading schedule.</p>
<p>To dive deeper in Asia's comment about resourcification vs
extractivitsm we will read the following text next reading group
session '<a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048733321000986" target="_blank">A resourcification manifesto:
Understanding the social process of resources becoming
resources</a>' . This will be an interesting discussion on
resourcification vs extractivitsm vs green capitalism.</p>
<p>We will read the ‘<a href="https://codingrights.org/docs/compost_engineers.pdf" target="_blank">The compost engineers and sus saberes
lentos: a manifest for regenerative technologies</a>‘ by Joana
Varon and Lucía Egana on Decemer 17th.</p>
<p>See the full schedule <a href="https://www.criticalinfralab.net/2024/02/01/environment-reading-group/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Happy reading</p>
<p>Fieke <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>On 03-09-2024 08:28, Fieke wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Hello environment and tech readers,</p>
<p>The new reading schedule is <a href="https://www.criticalinfralab.net/2024/02/01/environment-reading-group/" target="_blank">online</a>. Thanks to Janna, Becky
and Kimberly for volunteering their articles and PhD chapters
as reading in this reading group. If others want to share
their writing, reach out to me at any time! <br>
</p>
<p><b>Upcoming readings:</b><br>
- September 10: Janna Frenzel – ‘<a href="https://ln5.sync.com/dl/f3d343cf0/9d4msu7r-t7ahg3ey-9tvj8sjb-2zfrcg3r" target="_blank">How ‘Green’ Computing is Opening Up a
New Frontier in Arctic Norway</a>’ <br>
- September 24: [manifesto!] ‘<a href="https://codingrights.org/docs/compost_engineers.pdf" target="_blank">The compost engineers and sus saberes
lentos: a manifest for regenerative technologies</a>‘ by
Joana Varon and Lucía EganaJuli & Aug<br>
- October 8: Fieke Jansen – paper on IETF; framing
environmental concerns and sustainability solutions (email
fieke for a copy) + <a href="https://computingwithinlimits.org/2022/papers/limits22-final-Brain.pdf" target="_blank">Solar Protocol: Exploring
Energy-Centered Design</a><br>
- October 22: <a href="https://criticaledtech.com/2022/04/08/what-might-degrowth-computing-look-like/" target="_blank">What might degrowth computing look
like?</a> + <a href="https://computingwithinlimits.org/2022/papers/limits22-final-Sutherland.pdf" target="_blank">Strategies for Degrowth Computing</a><br>
- November 5: Becky Kazansky – TBD (email fieke for a copy)<br>
- November 19: <a href="https://ainowinstitute.org/publication/water-justice-and-technology-report" target="_blank">Water justice and technology. The
Covid-19 crisis, computational resource control, and water
relief policy</a><br>
- December 3: Kimberly Anastacio – Dissertation chapter about
the ITU and IETF work on environment-related standards (email
fieke for a copy)<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Someone asked if we could change the time and date of the
reading group. This is unfortunately not possible considering
the timezone and other commitments f the core members of this
group. <br>
</p>
<p>See you all on September 10th at 16.00 CEST <span style="font-family:SourceSans3,sans-serif;font-size:19px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:lowercase;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline!important;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><a href="https://uva-live.zoom.us/j/5689070082" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;text-decoration:underline;font-family:SourceSans3,sans-serif;font-size:19px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:lowercase;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:var(--color2)" target="_blank">https://uva-live.zoom.us/j/5689070082</a></p>
<p>Best Fieke</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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<div>On 19-08-2024 16:58, Fieke wrote:<br>
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Hello fellow environment and tech readers,<br>
<br>
Greetings from a summery Amsterdam. <br>
<br>
On the 10th September we will restart the bi-weekly
environment and tech reading group. This time we will try
something new! We want to start engaging with each others
writing. Are you working on or have your published a writing
and want to share and discuss it with the rest of the group,
let us know! Write me or the list serve an email and we will
include your piece in the reading group syllabus. <br>
<b><br>
</b><b>Engaging with each others work</b><br>
Sharing works in progress can feel daunting at time, so we
want these session to be constructive. As an author you can
use the reading group session to ask for feedback on specific
parts/aspects of your writing. <br>
<br>
We will start these session with a small introduction, where
you as an author can give context about the paper. Why did you
write this paper, what was the jump off point, the constraints
etc. Afterwards we will proceed by talking about main argument
and look at each specific section. <br>
<br>
Feedback guidelines:
<ul>
<li>Don’t be an asshole 😀</li>
<li>Give constructive feedback (not only point out what
doesn’t work, but make suggestions for improvement)</li>
<li>Share ideas of where to take the piece (f.ex. If it
hasn’t been published)</li>
</ul>
<b><br>
</b><br>
<b>Readings </b><br>
After the summer we will take a break from collectively
reading a book and alternate between readings our own writings
and reading the following articles and reports: <br>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://codingrights.org/docs/compost_engineers.pdf" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)">The compost engineers and sus saberes lentos: a manifest for regenerative technologies</span></a></li>
<li><a href="https://computingwithinlimits.org/2022/papers/limits22-final-Brain.pdf" style="text-decoration:none" id="m_-2847156456633912593docs-internal-guid-98ae6aa7-7fff-fc1b-abd8-275e56439205" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)">Solar Protocol: Exploring Energy-Centered Design</span></a></li>
<li><a href="https://criticaledtech.com/2022/04/08/what-might-degrowth-computing-look-like/" style="text-decoration:none" id="m_-2847156456633912593docs-internal-guid-f507f770-7fff-0e6e-5aaa-adb33f1be166" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)">What might degrowth computing look like?</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> + </span><a href="https://computingwithinlimits.org/2022/papers/limits22-final-Sutherland.pdf" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)">Strategies for Degrowth Computing</span></a></li>
<li><a href="https://ainowinstitute.org/publication/water-justice-and-technology-report" style="text-decoration:none" id="m_-2847156456633912593docs-internal-guid-446a2dd7-7fff-21c2-4aca-f2c503df4c28" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)">Water justice and technology. The Covid-19 crisis, computational resource control, and water relief policy</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)"> </span></li>
</ul>
<br>
<p>Looking forward to seeing you all in September</p>
<p>Best Fieke<br>
</p>
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Postdoctoral Researcher - Media Studies Department - University of Amsterdam
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Postdoctoral Researcher - Media Studies Department - University of Amsterdam
co-pi critical infrastructure lab
Member Green Screen Climate Justice and Digital Rights coalition
W: <a href="https://www.criticalinfralab.net/" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">https://www.criticalinfralab.net/</a>
E: <a href="mailto:fieke@criticalinfralab.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">fieke@criticalinfralab.net</a>
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Postdoctoral Researcher - Media Studies Department - University of Amsterdam
co-pi critical infrastructure lab
Member Green Screen Climate Justice and Digital Rights coalition
W: <a href="https://www.criticalinfralab.net/" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">https://www.criticalinfralab.net/</a>
E: <a href="mailto:fieke@criticalinfralab.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">fieke@criticalinfralab.net</a>
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Postdoctoral Researcher - Media Studies Department - University of Amsterdam
co-pi critical infrastructure lab
Member Green Screen Climate Justice and Digital Rights coalition
W: <a href="https://www.criticalinfralab.net/" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">https://www.criticalinfralab.net/</a>
E: <a href="mailto:fieke@criticalinfralab.net" target="_blank" style="font-family:monospace">fieke@criticalinfralab.net</a>
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