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<p>Hi everyone, </p>
<p>And thanks Stefi for sending this agenda. I really like Martin's
work Ecologias Hybridas on data centers' water consumption, and I
think it would visually work very well in the Framer Framed
venue. <br>
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</p>
<p>I also suggested we could have a panel on Data Infrastructures
and Socio-Environmental injustices with Martin Tironi and
Crosslucid (two artist actors, maybe could be complemented with an
activist and a researcher?). I thought this for Day 2 (maybe right
after the exhibition) but it could also be on Day 1 I guess. <br>
<br>
I propose two possible restructurings of the schedule: <br>
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<b>PROPOSAL 1: </b></p>
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DAY 1 (invite only)</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">10-15
- Invited Workshop @IAS (confirmed) (most likely starting with
light lunch at 1130)</div>
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>> we need to define everything (programme, speakers,
order catering)</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">15:00-16:00
- Living Lab Demo</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">17:00
- 21:00 Borrel </div>
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DAY 2 (open)</div>
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day long at Framer Framed: <a href="https://ecologiashibridas.cl/" data-outlook-id="fb585473-eefb-4e07-9bec-7a9ef6c343ca">https://ecologiashibridas.cl/</a></span></div>
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<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">09:30-10:00
- Arrival & Coffee</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">10:00–10:15
— Welcome & framing (Stefania)</div>
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10:15-11:00 — Introduction to the project (all)</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
11:00–12:15 — Keynote Block I (2 speakers)</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
12:15–13:15 — Networking lunch </div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
13:15–14:15 — Exhibition presentation</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">14:15-14:45 — Panel Data
infrastructures and socio-environmental justice with <span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">Martin
Tironi, CrossLucid, and ...</span> </div>
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14:45-15:00 — Closing & borrel</div>
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<p>--> this proposal is to have the exhibition at Framer Framed
on Day 2 and the Lab demo in a more grassroots space in the city,
directly inviting people into the borrel/festive situation (I'm
thinking for example the place where Geert did the book launch,
but could be some place else, also Kapitein Zeppos for example,
closer but smaller). <br>
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<p><b>PROPOSAL 2: </b></p>
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DAY 1 (invite only)</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">10-15
- Invited Workshop @IAS (confirmed) (most likely starting with
light lunch at 1130)</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">
>> we need to define everything (programme, speakers,
order catering)</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">15:00-16:00
- Panel Data infrastructures and socio-environmental justice with <span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">Martin
Tironi, CrossLucid, and ...</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">17:00
- 21:00 Borrel </div>
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DAY 2 (open)</div>
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day long at Framer Framed: <a href="https://ecologiashibridas.cl/" data-outlook-id="fb585473-eefb-4e07-9bec-7a9ef6c343ca">https://ecologiashibridas.cl/</a></span></div>
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</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">09:30-10:00
- Arrival & Coffee</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">10:00–10:15
— Welcome & framing (Stefania)</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
10:15-11:00 — Introduction to the project (all)</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
11:00–12:15 — Keynote Block I (2 speakers)</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
12:15–13:15 — Networking lunch </div>
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13:15–14:15 — Keynote Block II (3-4 speakers)</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">14:15-14:45 —
Living Lab demo </div>
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14:45-15:00 — Closing & borrel</div>
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--> this proposal keeps the original structure and changes the
Day 1 exhibition with an intersectorial panel, so that the
exhibition can still happen at Framer Framed and the Living Lab
demo can also happen during the open day. <br>
<br>
Let me know what you think</div>
<div dir="ltr">Giulia<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/1/26 14:37, Stefania Milan via
Core wrote:<br>
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Dear all</div>
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I need the green light to start contacting people, since time is
running out and our efforts might soon look desperate 😉</div>
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Here some notes and tasks. <span style="color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">In purple</span>, what
needs to be done </div>
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DAY 1 (invite only)</div>
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@IAS (confirmed)- 9-4pm (most likely starting with light lunch
at 1130)</div>
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>> we need to define everything (programme, speakers,
order catering)</div>
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5pm > public event + festive moment </div>
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@ LOCATION??</div>
<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a href="mailto:g.campaioli@uva.nl" id="OWAAM750175" rel="noreferrer noopener" data-outlook-id="b41136fc-9a18-42d4-8d6e-bf1e843ba812" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" moz-do-not-send="true">@Giulia
Campaioli</a></span><span style="font-size: 16px;">:</span><span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);"> what
about Martin Tironi</span><span style="color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">’</span><span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">s
</span><span style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a href="https://ecologiashibridas.cl/" originalsrc="https://ecologiashibridas.cl/" data-outlook-id="fb585473-eefb-4e07-9bec-7a9ef6c343ca" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ecologiashibridas.cl/</a></span><span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);"> (on our
advisory board)?</span></div>
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DAY 2 (open)</div>
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09:30-10:00 - Arrival & Coffee</div>
<div style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
10:00–10:15 — Welcome & framing (Stefania)</div>
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10:15-11:00 — Introduction to the project (all)</div>
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11:00–12:15 — Keynote Block I (2 speakers)</div>
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12:15–13:15 — Networking lunch </div>
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13:15–14:15 — Keynote Block II (3-4 speakers)</div>
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14:15-14:45 - Lab demo</div>
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15:45-15:00 — Closing & borrel</div>
<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a href="mailto:core@lists.datagovlab.net" id="OWAAM235600" rel="noreferrer noopener" data-outlook-id="a7575e75-7880-4301-86d9-6d19593b6d1b" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" moz-do-not-send="true">@core@lists.datagovlab.net</a></span><span style="font-size: 16px;">:
</span><span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">what
do you think of this skeleton programme? (</span><span style="color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">After</span><span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);"> defining
speakers, we can arrange the content/format)</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 16px; color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">@
LOCATION??
</span><span style="color: rgb(179, 105, 226);">Is Framer Framed
an option? I don’t know the space</span><br>
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Potential speakers to reach out to. We need a (also
financially) healthy mix of EU and non-EU, and locals. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href="https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/professor-claudia-aradau-1" originalsrc="https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/professor-claudia-aradau-1" data-outlook-id="1c7d4eb9-cf42-4460-8c3d-229401c7d255" moz-do-not-send="true">Claudia Aradau</a> (UK, IR) OR
<a href="https://www.durham.ac.uk/staff/louise-amoore/" originalsrc="https://www.durham.ac.uk/staff/louise-amoore/" data-outlook-id="90e06a4a-ceb0-4a53-ac76-e664f069aa33" moz-do-not-send="true">
Louise Amore</a> (UK, pol geography) - probably not
available due to health reasons</div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation">Fernando Filgueiras
(Brazil) - on advisory board; met recently in Brasilia,
available to come (at least when we spoke in December),
author of
<a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/abs/artificial-intelligence-and-public-policy/B71FDB14B9DC572152DA23E7CCCC0AF7" originalsrc="https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/abs/artificial-intelligence-and-public-policy/B71FDB14B9DC572152DA23E7CCCC0AF7" data-outlook-id="1e5ba13b-2f29-481b-9cec-db3c3c1ecdfe" moz-do-not-send="true">
this</a> and <a href="https://books.google.nl/books?hl=en&lr=&id=AHfkEAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=Fernando+filgueira+algorithms+as+institutions&ots=l1H5-mQZ1L&sig=7YiHqCf3Ex2GebLxr8Uydd0HA7A#v=onepage&q=Fernando%20filgueira%20algorithms%20as%20institutions&f=false" originalsrc="https://books.google.nl/books?hl=en&lr=&id=AHfkEAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=Fernando+filgueira+algorithms+as+institutions&ots=l1H5-mQZ1L&sig=7YiHqCf3Ex2GebLxr8Uydd0HA7A#v=onepage&q=Fernando%20filgueira%20algorithms%20as%20institutions&f=false" data-outlook-id="a936e96c-efcd-4d3b-b031-b86afd0f7dfb" moz-do-not-send="true">
this</a> and much more. Not sure how he is as a speaker,
but a generous person and working with government now on
health tech </div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href="https://www.gold.ac.uk/global-change/people/emeritus-staff/" originalsrc="https://www.gold.ac.uk/global-change/people/emeritus-staff/" data-outlook-id="524713da-b8cd-47af-a459-e0e062540a33" moz-do-not-send="true">Evelyn Ruppert</a> (UK, sociology)
- on our advisory board; great for many reasons and fun
speaker</div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation">Rocco Bellanova OR Mathias
Leese (Zurich one or the other 😉) (we could also invite one
of them for day 1, the other for day 2)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href="https://diseno.uc.cl/persona/tironi-martin/" originalsrc="https://diseno.uc.cl/persona/tironi-martin/" data-outlook-id="3702a6c6-a53b-4565-89d4-5238c6d14ea0" moz-do-not-send="true">Martin Tironi</a><a href="https://diseno.uc.cl/persona/tironi-martin/" originalsrc="https://diseno.uc.cl/persona/tironi-martin/" data-outlook-id="0c508eca-7e23-4697-b006-cb10d1416392" style="text-decoration: none;" moz-do-not-send="true"> </a>for
the artist programme but also substantive contribution if
needed </div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation">Mariana Valente (two
concerns: she does Internet governance more that governance
by; would be a second Brazilian if Fernando joins us, too)</div>
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Locals, or almost locals:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href="https://www.tudelft.nl/staff/f.s.gurses/" originalsrc="https://www.tudelft.nl/staff/f.s.gurses/" data-outlook-id="bf42402d-3a65-4f54-9ee8-84ac7f14e013" moz-do-not-send="true">Seda Gurses</a> (Delft, security
engineering) - awesome, and on our advisory board. Very
political</div>
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<li style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<div dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href="https://www.uva.nl/profiel/l/a/m.lanzing/m.lanzing.html" data-outlook-id="af45c828-7e52-48fc-8e5a-bbf6efe0538c" moz-do-not-send="true">Marjolein Lanzig</a> (UvA,
philosophy) - a great troublemaker, vocal, lively, fun</div>
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<li style="font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<div dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href="https://www.uva.nl/en/profile/o/e/n.tenoever/n.tenoever.html" data-outlook-id="65f4ee5b-a104-4441-93e9-df64eeea713f" moz-do-not-send="true">Niels ten Oever</a> (UvA, critical
infrastructure studies) - also a vocal troublemaker, much on
governance OF tech and standards, good for a more
technically-inclined input; nice also for continuity with
DATACTIVE and IN-SIGHT projects (my past endeavour) </div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href="https://www.uva.nl/en/profile/g/o/m.degoede/m.degoede.html" data-outlook-id="004f3bc1-c8dc-4868-943c-c899487e7e19" moz-do-not-send="true">Marieke De Goede</a> (UvA, pol sci)
- might be too busy since still dean by then</div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation">Bidisha Chaudhuri (UvA,
media studies) - India perspective (<a href="mailto:s.vanguri@uva.nl" id="OWAAM140670" rel="noreferrer noopener" data-outlook-id="74d46960-a459-4e6c-93be-ca588c61a12d" moz-do-not-send="true">@Sruthi Vanguri</a> on topic or
not?)</div>
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Sadly,</div>
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Mansi Kedia for workshop/panel - Governance/Policy/Global
South/DPI (<a href="mailto:s.vanguri@uva.nl" id="OWAAM915480" rel="noreferrer noopener" data-outlook-id="c0ba4dff-c3c8-4675-8c19-2d301820809c" moz-do-not-send="true">@Sruthi Vanguri</a> please provide
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<div role="presentation">Cecilia Passanti (STS, Paris) - just
finished PhD on biometrics in Africa. She applied for a
DATAGOV postdoc, but didn’t make the cut; might be
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation">Maybe Mariana Valente or
Fernando?</div>
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Mathias</div>
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<div dir="ltr" role="presentation">+ maybe Niels and …?</div>
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Please answer to this thread, we need to make some urgent
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