<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Nick,</div><div>thanks for your feedback :-)</div><div>To be honest, the website of the Prototype Fund confuses me a bit since the information on there is contradicting itself in several places (I think).<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)">> I don't know if this program funds work on existing open source projects or only new projects that are producing their first prototypes.</span></div><div>On the actual application from they ask: "Have you already worked on the idea? If so, briefly describe the current status and explain the planned changes." <br></div><div>This made me think that it is not a problem that BigBang has already been developed for some years.</div><div>Furthermore, they ask: "Briefly outline the most important milestones that are to be implemented during the funding period."</div><div>Therefore if we have particular aims (such as implementing a dashboards) that is fine I think.<br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)">> Also, the English-language version of the webpage seems to suggest that they expect teams to be located in Germany.</span></div><div>Yes, but then I see for example <a href="https://prototypefund.de/project/cobox/">this</a> project they are currently funding. It has a number of members that do not live in Germany, as can be seen from digging into <a href="https://cobox.cloud/team">here</a>.</div><div>A quick search made me think that maybe only <span class="gmail-project-list-item-member">Mooness Davarian</span> really lives in Germany and that most are in London (even <span class="gmail-project-list-item-member">the co-applicant Gregory Jones, according to </span><a href="http://www.checkcompany.co.uk/director/14364177/MOONESS-DAVARIAN">this</a>).<br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)">> I don't know if suggesting time/work that would be done by other BigBang developers in other countries would be a discouragement for funding the proposal [...]</span></div><div>We can only try. Otherwise we have a template for another time/opportunity :-) (they have <a href="https://prototypefund.de/projects/?filter=timeline">six</a> more rounds we can apply for I think)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for you pointers to existing work! I didn't know anything about them.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Christoph<br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op di 16 mrt. 2021 om 11:00 schreef <<a href="mailto:bigbang-dev-request@data-activism.net">bigbang-dev-request@data-activism.net</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Bigbang-dev mailing list submissions to<br>
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Hi all,<br>
I just wanted to remind everyone that the deadline for the Prototype Fund<br>
<<a href="https://prototypefund.de/en/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://prototypefund.de/en/</a>> is at the 30th of March.<br>
Thus if you are still interested to implement your ideas and be payed for<br>
it, let me know and I will include them in the proposal (as has to be<br>
written in German and can only be submitted by someone registered in<br>
Germany).<br>
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Best Wishes,<br>
Christoph<br>
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Thanks for following up on this, Christoph.<br>
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I think it's an encouraging program to apply for as I really like the model<br>
of a fund specific for public interest technology and for short-timeline<br>
open source software development.<br>
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I don't know if this program funds work on existing open source projects or<br>
only new projects that are producing their first prototypes. Also, the<br>
English-language version of the webpage seems to suggest that they expect<br>
teams to be located in Germany. I don't know if suggesting time/work that<br>
would be done by other BigBang developers in other countries would be a<br>
discouragement for funding the proposal, but I wouldn't want to cause any<br>
problems for the proposal. (Personally, I would love to work on BigBang<br>
more and be funded to do it, but I don't know right now what time I'll have<br>
available depending on what I figure out for long-term employment.)<br>
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In terms of existing/alternative work, while I haven't seen much that is<br>
directly similar to BigBang's focus on mailing list archive analysis<br>
(honestly, I keep expecting that one day someone will just point us to some<br>
other project that does all of this!), there are a couple previous<br>
relevant, alternative projects to point to:<br>
* ponymail, an Apache incubator project, provides a search interface for<br>
mailing list archives that includes some basic statistical overviews<br>
* the Enron Email Dataset prompted academic research on email, including<br>
many individual analyses, although not much generalizable open source<br>
software that I'm aware of: <a href="https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~./enron/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~./enron/</a><br>
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I think a valuable project would be to start providing dashboards of the<br>
current and historical status of some set of prominent mailing lists (like<br>
IETF or W3C), so that there was an ongoing easily digestible overview of<br>
the topics, traffic, etc. of an organization's email traffic. That could be<br>
an entryway into the software that isn't just a Jupyter notebook analyzing<br>
a particular research question (although I think that's a super valuable<br>
format as well). But a dashboard overview for one organization could be a<br>
good short-term prototype project, and I think it would be welcomed by IETF<br>
or a similar Internet governance group, so it could be a good partnership<br>
as well.<br>
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Hope this helps,<br>
Nick<br>
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> Hi all,<br>
> I just wanted to remind everyone that the deadline for the Prototype Fund<br>
> <<a href="https://prototypefund.de/en/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://prototypefund.de/en/</a>> is at the 30th of March.<br>
> Thus if you are still interested to implement your ideas and be payed for<br>
> it, let me know and I will include them in the proposal (as has to be<br>
> written in German and can only be submitted by someone registered in<br>
> Germany).<br>
><br>
> Best Wishes,<br>
> Christoph<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><br>
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