<div dir="auto"><div>I understand that there is a mix of working groups and affiliations here.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These groupings were created by:</div><div dir="auto"> - building the network of affiliations and working groups</div><div dir="auto"> - using a generic network modularity algorithm to partition the network</div><div dir="auto"> - pick the top N members of each partition based on centrality</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So what I was hoping was that the groupings would have some meaning in terms of which affiliations and organizations were most closely associated.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If the method worked, it would uncover latent structure. For example, Microsoft and IBM are connected with each other through ipsecme. Whereas Nokia and Ericsson are associated though their connections to ops.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If nothing is popping out when the data is modelled like this, then I'll try something else. This was a cheap exploratory method.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 5:26 AM Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:mail@nielstenoever.net">mail@nielstenoever.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Seb, <br>
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This is meaningful. It is a mix of affiliations/institutions and working groups and areas (the parts of the IETF working groups belong to). Would you like me to categorize which are which? One way to clean this up would be to take a list of all workinggroups (same names as mailinglists!) and subtract that from this corpus.<br>
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Happy to discuss!<br>
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Best,<br>
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Niels<br>
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On 02-03-2021 22:49, Sebastian Benthall wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
> <br>
> As an experiment, I've tried to derive some inductive categories of working groups and organizations from the IETF data. If this works, it exposes some latent structure in how IETF is organized, in terms of the weight of certain organizations certain domains.<br>
> <br>
> The following groups of words represent concentrations or clusterings in the network of associations between organizations and working groups. I wonder if somebody more involved in the domain work could tell me if they seem meaningful at all, or just noisy.<br>
> <br>
> Huawei, mpls, ccamp, idr, AT&T, Orange, 6man, ospf, Juniper Networks, grow<br>
> <br>
> Google, dnsop, art, tls, ntp, VeriSign, Inc., lamps, oauth, dprive, kitten<br>
> <br>
> Nokia, Ericsson, ops, tsv, roll, core, geopriv, ace, 6lo, mboned<br>
> <br>
> app, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, Apple Inc., Isode Ltd, fax, homenet, sieve, dkim, extra<br>
> <br>
> Cisco Systems, Alcatel-Lucent, cfrg, pwe3, snmpv3, sacm, ipfix, alto, uta, radius<br>
> <br>
> sec, pkix, smime, rai, RSA Laboratories, httpbis, VPN Consortium, ipsec, appsawg, Axway<br>
> <br>
> avt, mmusic, avtcore, payload, sipping, idmr, simple, stir, RTFM, Inc., NTT<br>
> <br>
> icnrg, nwcrg, mptcp, lisp, 6tisch, University of Cambridge, manet, INRIA, gaia, nsis<br>
> <br>
> v6ops, int, Intel, sidr, mip6, sidrops, Unaffiliated, Toshiba, impp, teep<br>
> <br>
> tsvwg, tcpm, nfsv4, diffserv, University of Aberdeen, aqm, ipdvb, csi, rddp, rserpool<br>
> <br>
> iab, trill, secsh, rtg, forces, dtnrg, Harvard University, isms, SPARTA, Inc., Trinity College Dublin<br>
> <br>
> Independent, ecrit, ipp, Nortel Networks, magma, tictoc, entmib, mediactrl, Avaya, Hewlett-Packard<br>
> <br>
> Microsoft, ipsecme, IBM, dnsext, intarea, hip, Dell EMC, storm, USC/ISI, btns<br>
> <br>
> gen, sipcore, sip, Neustar, straw, Tekelec, SJD, Georgetown University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Quobis<br>
> <br>
> http, University of Tennessee, Netscape, 822ext, find, Xerox Corporation, Equinix, CERNET Center/Tsinghua, behave, asid<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> - Seb<br>
> <br>
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