<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi folks, <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please see below for the ongoing conversation I've been having with Robert Sparks about <a href="https://www.ietf.org/status-report/ietf-progress-report.html" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/status-report/ietf-progress-report.html</a></div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If you have any questions you would like me to share do let me know!</span><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kind regards,</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Corinne </span><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Robert Sparks</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>></span><br>Date: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:57 PM<br>Subject: Re: IETF progress report<br>To: Corinne Cath <<a href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com">corinnecath@gmail.com</a>><br></div><br><br>
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<div>On 8/26/20 4:03 AM, Corinne Cath wrote:<br>
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<div>I am trying to figure out how these
IMR reports are generated. I assume the underlying mechanism
for collecting this data is consistent, regardless which
group or month I am looking at no? Or maybe I am
misunderstanding why you need to know which specific pages I
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<p>I believe (I do not yet know - these reports not something the
tools team maintains) that the code that makes the .txt files is
not the same code that makes the .csv files and what they are
tryin g to produce may be different things. I'd like to know
whether you're looking at the .txt files or the .csv files so I
know who to go ask and what to ask for.</p>
<p>The list usage report in the txt files, for instance is
attempting to count messages sent to that list during that month,
not the number of subscribers at the end of the month. If you are
looking at the .txt file, that's likely the explanation for the
"lot of fluxuations" question below.</p>
<p>The first csv file (labelled Lists) appears also be be counting
messages, not subscribers.</p>
<p>The third csv file (labelled Subcount) appears to be counting
subscribers.</p>
<p>In these first three columns, it is almost certain that these
stats are calculated by making a mailman query (for subscriber
count) or by counting messages in an mbox file (for messages in a
month). <br>
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<p>There are issues with using the subscriber count as anything more
than a rough metric. I have heard of companies who have many
people reading through a single subscription, and I know of people
who do not subscribe to the lists using mailman, but rather read
the lists using the imap interface.<br>
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your reply. i was looking at lists for the hrpc
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<p>Yes, but where? There are several places in the report
that talk about the hrpc research group.</p>
<p>Are you looking at pages like <a href="https://www.ietf.org/status-report/imr/2016-12-report.txt" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/status-report/imr/2016-12-report.txt</a>,
or are you looking into one of the .csv documents for that
month, and if so, which one?</p>
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sans-serif">I recently came across this: <a href="https://www.ietf.org/status-report/ietf-progress-report.html" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/status-report/ietf-progress-report.html</a></font></div>
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<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I was wondering
how the reports are compiled? For
instance, when I look at the numbers for
HRPC between 2014 and 2017 there are a lot
of fluctuations per month. </font></div>
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