<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi Seb, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks! This is very exciting work. One thing I was wondering about is legibility for non-academic audiences. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">These kind of network graphs are only legible to a very small part of the population for whom it might be interesting. Maybe this is a bit premature, but I would like to raise that we might need to do quite a bit of translational work to make these graphs useful for advocacy purposes. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't necessarily have much experience in doing that, but happy to suggest people that do and keep the convo doing! </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kind regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Corinne </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 7:19 PM Sebastian Benthall <<a href="mailto:sbenthall@gmail.com">sbenthall@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Thanks for this, Nick.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That reminds me: I'm on the hook to get Nels a list of top 100 affiliations for categorization.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This visualization is noting affiliations of draft authors only. Not general discussion participants. I'm not sure if the IETF data tracker has lighter weight documents in it that might pick up wider participation. Any ideas what those would be called? Are "comments" a tracked document type?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One thing that *might* pop out of a more extensive mapping (longer time scale, etc) is some kind of modular structure to the network. It might *not* be there, an it could be one big hairball that doesn't tell us much. But I wonder if you would expect, based on qualitative experience and intuition, any clustering?</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 1:11 PM Nick Doty <<a href="mailto:npdoty@ischool.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">npdoty@ischool.berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Awesome!<br>
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My initial thought was just that it seems so sparse. httpbis is a massive effort (based only on my dropping in to WG meetings occasionally, I haven’t been following the list), how can it only have 2 organizations involved? Maybe that’s a side effect of your using a short date range?<br>
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I also noticed the entity resolution issue (with Cisco).<br>
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One issue with connection working groups to companies is that it might become overly dense. When we did this just with individuals, there was already quite a bit of overlap/connection, with only occasional groups that were pushed to the outside of the diagram because many individuals on those lists only contributed to them. But with looking at entire companies, it seems more likely that you’ll see the large vendors connected to a wide range of WGs across multiple areas and so I’m not sure what the visualization will be able to show you.<br>
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Thanks for sharing this work in progress. I think affiliation can be such a promising area, particularly if we can start to classify the affiliations (corporate, non-profit, academic, etc.).<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Nick<br>
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> On Jun 8, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Sebastian Benthall <<a href="mailto:sbenthall@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sbenthall@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hello,<br>
> <br>
> I've been working with the IETF data tracker to produce a visualization of affiliations and working groups. I'd like to run it by you all for design feedback and ideas moving forward.<br>
> <br>
> This is a bipartite graph of affiliations and working groups for the period between 2010-01-01 and 2010-04-01:<br>
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> <image.png><br>
> Aside from entity resolution issues (Juniper/Juniper Networks), I wonder if anything pops out at you or of the visualization might contain more information in a useful way.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Seb<br>
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