<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">A very nice idea Lonneke! I def want to be part of that conversation and am very curious to hear what peoples ideas are.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also maybe of interest to some on this list: this Sunday there is a screen of “Machine in Flames” at Joe’s garage.</div><div class=""><a href="https://indymedia.nl/node/52484" class="">https://indymedia.nl/node/52484</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><i class="">A secret history of self-destruction by following the footsteps of a clandestine group of French computer workers from the 1980s</i></div><div class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div><div class=""><i class="">Machines in Flames is a cinematic search for the elusive group CLODO, who bombed computer companies in 1980s Toulouse, France. Journeying through the cybernetic nodes of military, industrial, and socialist development, the film exposes how recording devices fail to collect the ashes of history. The film combines archival traces, a viral desktop choreography, and paranoid footage of nocturnal stakeouts into a philosophical investigation of self-combustion.</i></div><div class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div><div class=""><i class="">The film is the debut work of the Destructionist International, and the first in a series of films on the appetite for abolition in ultra-leftism. It was first distributed through a network of self-erasing USB data sticks dropped outside corporate campuses.</i></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 13 Oct 2022, at 15:58, Lonneke van der Velden <<a href="mailto:lonneke@samage.net" class="">lonneke@samage.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi all,<br class=""><br class="">Does anyone plan on coming to the 17th meeting? And does it have a location already? (I remember someone suggested LAG but I'm not sure if they were asked?)<br class=""><br class="">If so, I was wondering whether we could dedicate (a part of) the evening to the digital civil disobedience question posed by Marleen in one of our meetings earlier in the year, and about which she presented at MCH (<a href="https://program.mch2022.org/mch2022/talk/J9PRJK/" class="">https://program.mch2022.org/mch2022/talk/J9PRJK/</a>) and in the Waag (<a href="https://waag.org/nl/event/waag-open-digitaal-" class="">https://waag.org/nl/event/waag-open-digitaal-</a>actievoeren-hoe-moet-dat/).<br class=""><br class="">After one of the follow up events at the Greenpeace office I landed into a discussion with a couple of people on this list about what would be actionable infrastructures today and/or what would be the grey areas? As in, what are technologies or data infrastructures that are not strictly regulated, not fully understood, or not in use as a site of politics or protest.<br class=""><br class="">The point of departure of our late-evening discussion was that the Yes Men at the time were outsmarting companies because they understood the politics of search engines better than corporate or governmental actors. On a different level, the Critical Art Ensemble did virtual sit-ins before DDOS-attacks became a criminal act, hence, they were engaging in a technological practice that wasn't yet understood or banned. There is no use in replicating those actions, but it might be interesting to ask what are good inspirational cases of today (or else speculative ideas).<br class=""><br class="">My sense is that we had a related discussion on art/hacktivism during our meeting in the Fabriek Volkskamer and that it would be nice to continue along those lines.<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class=""><br class="">Lonneke<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">17-meetings mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:17-meetings@signal7.nl" class="">17-meetings@signal7.nl</a><br class="">https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/17-meetings<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></div></body></html>